FG, now you are just making stuff up.

"the alleged influence of Opus Dei"? The handful of orthodox Catholics brought to notoriety by Dan Brown. Puleez!

I did not actually imply that all who supported Labor supported the alleged vices, rather that ALP leadership is so far divorced from its members and completely unaccountable. (which is largely why its membership is evaporating as no one listens to them.)

My comparison to the Catholic Church was not just a wind up, but a structural comparison where all decisions are top down, and the message preached to the followers is vastly different to the values of those in power.

The corruption etc come from the complete lack of accountability within the ranks. None of the "outings" of MP criminal behaviour have come from labor MPs, in fact in the Orkopolous case his behaviour was largely ignored, and the "whistle blower was ostracised by the ALP and harassed.

sorry belly my bad
where i said select cut
i should have said copy

[cut only works when your actually allready typing
ie when im all ready on a posting page]

but watch...when you move your mouse over these words
there will be a line

put the line over this bit
then push the left side [holding it down]..and drag
the blue highlighted bit to here

being carfull not to loose the blue highlight
[ie dont move too much]
then right click

now you can move down to copy
push it and you got a copy

[go to a post page
click on it to get the flashing 'I']
and right click
clicking on paste
and it gets pasted

some extra bits
but not needed to cut/paste

its a matter of learning
to open the right click window

right click opens...
[from the top it reads undo..
AVOID pushing this button]..

same with delete option]

right click..[if it holds a copy is darker
if you copy its lighter]

the last option is select all
but this also is an option on this reading page

[the blue page with a pen on it
at the bottom of this frame]

clicking on that would copy this whole comment
into the clip boards...then you paste it
and get rid of the bits you dont want to include in your quote

dont let it sound complicated mate
once you done it once its like anything
from then on you own it

dont let it own you
right click now
to open the options window

then once you know right click
learn the left click...to highlight something
[you have to get a blue highlight]
or the copy order wont show up

once you got the blue highlight
as long as its blue..you can grab it..[to copy it]
once you copied it you can paste it

im sorry mate its easier than these words imply
so easy i used the wrong word[lol]

its copy
not cut

copy and paste
and i got it wrong
sorry

Shadow Minister says:

"FG, now you are just making stuff up.

"the alleged influence of Opus Dei"?
The handful of orthodox Catholics brought
to notoriety by Dan Brown. Puleez!"




I give you references to, and quotes from, news items published in reference to the SA MP child porn matter that you introduced in opening this discussion in so much as they substantiate claims as to Opus Dei involvement.

The entire content of the Vexnews tweet linked to in my first post:

"Bernard Finnigan's inaugural speech: "I
am a servant of Christ and subject of His
reign in history" http://j.mp/hXoc9S "


From the SMH news item linked to in my first post:

"Like Mr Finnigan, Mr Rau and Mr Snelling
belong to the conservative religious right
faction, allied to the Shop, Distributive
and Allied Employees Union."


From the last link given in my post of Monday, 25 April 2011 at 10:42:09 AM:

"In a February speech* to the ALP's Flory
sub-branch, historian Gary Lockwood painted
the hulkish MP [Finnigan] as an ultra-conservative
who belonged to secretive Catholic Church
political organisations such as Opus Dei.

Mr Lockwood described a visit to Mr Finnigan's
home when it was on the market. "It was like
going into a monastery -- austere, religious
tapestries on the wall, prayer kneelers and
praying areas," he said.

"Now I am not being critical of Bernard and his
religious activities. That is his right and his
business. But it does give me reason to believe
he is a member of either the Legionaires of Christ,
Opus Dei, or both.""

*Finnigan was elevated to the Ministry in February, 72 days before his resignation.


Opus Dei in the (O'Farrell) NSW government: http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=11838 . Second paragraph.





SM, I cannot vouch for the accuracy or relevance of the claims reported, but I did not make them up.

Thank you for clarifying your reason for mentioning the catholic church in the context of your opening post as being for purposes of structural comparison with the ALP as we see it in government. I could not read your mind, only go on the words written.

I am not a Catholic, feel the need to say that up front.
It is my view the Catholic Church has played a big roll in my party and continues to.
I am unhappy about this, NO RELIGION has in my view any right to get involved in politics.
I have never heard even a whisper about a party member or unionist along the lines of pedophilia.
Not once, I am aware of homosexuals in every walk of life, find no reason to care one way or the other about them.
To do so would be intrusive in my view, of no more interest than what brand of footy they follow.
Who gave up this SA bloke?
Is it possible some one within the party/movement did? I earnestly hope so, and if charges are true say thanks.
Abbott is Catholic, maybe this explains his youthful flirtation with the ALP.
Few do not remember or know of the DLP and its links with Catholics.
I could not ever say every Catholic priest is a pedophile, but too many have been.
I still want an answer, SM said one had been found with his finger in a kiddy, is it rage against such filth, any one who would do such a thing or politics that made that statement?

Belly "I have never heard even a whisper about a party member or unionist along the lines of pedophilia."

While I don't think the issue is likely to be just Labor the only cases I'm aware of for elected pollies have been Labor party members.

I'm not convinced of SM's argument but I'm also not aware of Australian Conservative pollies being caught in that particular crime.

You might like to look at the history of former Qld state party leader Keith Wright and former Qld state member Billy Darcy, in NSW former minister Milton Orkopoulos.

You might also look at claims regarding how much others knew about Orkopoulos's activities well before action was taken and support he recieved from collegues at his sentencing.

There were allegations against former federal minister Bob Collins who died before facing trial. I don't know how serious those claims were but certainly more than a whisper.

R0bert

FG,

Nearly all the links tie the Catholic Church to the ALP and not the coalition. The only link to Opus Dei is that David Clarke's wife is a member of Opus Dei and he is a "co operator" which basically means he is catholic and married to a member. Despite my interest in politics I have never heard the "allegation" and so I would guess that you are reaching for straws. Your claim that you "cannot verify its veracity" is double speak for you knew it was rubbish when you posted it.

As for what I meant, as I clarified this more than once subsequently, your "misunderstanding" is dishonest.

Belly:

"Did an ALP MP not get caught with his fingers in the kiddy?"

Get an English teacher to explain the concept of "double entendre" to you.