Pelican,

You obviously didn't read my posts. I was questioning Labor values not policy. I was simply pointing out the disproportionate number of criminals in the ranks of ALP MPs. In all the posts there are no examples of criminal behaviour on the coalition side, so you are right there is no competition.

Trust me the rest do not hesitate to highlight any perceived malfeasance on the part of the coalition.

As for the policies of the parties, a lot depends on circumstance, the carbon tax being a prime example. Prior to Copenhagen when it looked as the whole world was moving to a price on carbon, a price on carbon looked viable, (note that the coalition wanted to wait until after Copenhagen), but after talks collapsed, a carbon price was a policy dog. I have spent much time debating policy, and prefer it, but the supporters generally split on party lines and simply mouth the party line.

I am one eyed in my revulsion of the antics of the Labor party, I am not entirely enamoured with all aspects of the coalition, but they are streets ahead on common sense and integrity.

Shadow Minister you are quite wrong.
I do not think I ever asked for you to be banned.
I was hurt and offended by what I thought was support for you,from GY.
At that time others felt you had acted unfairly, ANY REVIEW OF YOUR THREAD TITLES will confirm this.
However it is now clear to me, your sole reason for existing is to set an example.
For others on how not to debate, faults can be found in my party.
But in never having produced one concern about yours you add to my claim.
At that intervention in a thread I corresponded with GY but believe I have never more than highlighted an on going concern at your some what slanderous thread titles and intentions.

individuals TAUNTS
Belly,
I have no intention to "taunt" for the sake of it. I do hope however that it does invoke some deeper thinking i.e. past silly party lines. After all, aren't we discussing the integrity of those whom many have entrusted with having the integrity to occupy high office ? It appears our society has been badly & callously deceived by these individuals. They're not the ALP but one should be forgiven to believe this Party attracts those type of characters. I really believe that today's ALP is unashamedly crapping on the grave of the Australian Labor Party.

Any newspaper headline is meant to be short catchy and infer the meaning of the thread. However, in itself it makes no direct statement. In your last statement you have repeated exactly my feelings. Whilst previous generations may have had conviction and integrity (I still don't agree with all their policies) the present senior ALP ranks lack all of this. If they did, the barbs from Tony Abbott would not strike home.

The coal-ition, streets ahead on integrity?

Now there's a crazy statement!

Howard put the interests of his party above the national interest and then in turn put his personal interests above those of his own party. In the end it was his wife and children that decided he should hang on past his use-by date. So much for supposed party unity.

I think he lost 8 ministers in his first term due to acts of impropriety.

Who was it that deliberately played the race-card and let this particular genie out of the bottle?

Who decided that Pauline Hanson was unfit to for Liberal preselection because of her racist attitude then allowed her to repeat her rant in parliament unchallenged, just so they could bleed votes away from the ALP? A decent leader would have verbally slapped that crazy bitch down straight away because -
1. She was wrong and
2. It was potentially (and since proven to be) socially divisive.

Every PM since Whitlam had a Press Secretary but only Howard had 3 - all media monitors to counter any potential criticism, plus a well-oiled dirty tricks machine working around the clock and investigating not only the ALP parliamentarians and judiciary but also their families and friends.

The new alternative is even worse, led by a hypocritical opportunist and with an over-ambitious walking cliche waiting in the wings for a shot at the deputy job.

Rose coloured glasses are one thing, but blinkers are something else again.

Lets see just NSW recently:

One former minister went to jail for under-age sex, one resigned after visiting a gay sex club, one resigned after visiting adult websites, two had to resign after expenses fraud, and one resigned for "underpants-dancing" in Parliament House.

Let alone in Wollongong where the entire council was dismissed for corruption and the Labor MP's staffers were caught handing out fraudulent how to vote cards.

Then there is Gordon Nuttall convicted of serious fraud in Queensland
Brian Burke in WA, etc.

Compared to "inappropriate behaviour" this is in a different league.