No defense RObert, I actually met Milt the Mauler, he repelled me and I never knew why.
I could search. for conservative sins, some would exist, but if my search was boy scouting leaders?
Or Catholic Church's/homes/any section of Society?
It would be wrong to blame every Catholic, every Scout leader, remember ,read it your self,2 here claimed EVERY ALP voter is guilty of betraying this country.
I have no defense no wish to defend any who did such as the named people did.
Is however Australian politics to slip ever closer to what we see in say Ireland?
Are we to swap Aussie mate ship for hate?
SM here, in this thread, fact is in many, said he with deliberate purpose got me to bite/flamed me.
Our next federal government looks very much to be the party you follow.
Can you asure me you totally trust Tony Abbott?
Or that NO GOOD EXISTS IN MINE.
RObert I truly think mine has much to fix leadership policy's and a few party's do not, but can any one say what is constantly being said here.
Well yes,on reflection if you truly honestly believe it then say it.
But I doubt any one could unconditionally agree with this threads direction and intent.
Last my party seems unable to see its weakening polls are proof born and bred ALP voters are concered with rubbery policy's and inaction.
But be warned the silly lady leading us is about to charge in to a one way street going in the wrong direction, we will be better for it.

Shadow Minister,

Since you congratulated me on my 'Great analysis' in your post of Sunday, 24 April 2011 at 9:44:09 AM, I have expressed no uncertainty as to your having a reason for bringing the catholic church into the discussion in the opening post. You have clarified that reason as being for structural comparison with the ALP, which I do not fault. Given that it is a good comparison, and that the RC clergy are disqualified by the provisions of Section 44 (i.) of the Constitution from direct involvement in Federal politics at least, and that that clerical institution has had an historic lust for temporal power, it is only natural to look for some lay order or organisation of zealots ready to act as its factota.

Such is, to all accounts, the organisation known as 'Opus Dei'. There may be others. Opus Dei is mentioned in connection with Bernard Finnigan in the MSM references to the SA MP's shock resignation, which is in turn connected by inference with an arrest of a SA MP on child porn charges. Opus Dei is also mentioned in Kate Mannix' OLO article 'And so it begins: Government by the Religious Right' (to which I have already provided a link) in connection with the O'Farrell NSW government, a fact I included for balance.

You counter-claim Clarke's wife to be in Opus Dei. Your reference?




I have no involvement with catholicism, and no idea as to the extent of Opus Dei influence in politics. Hence my statement:

"I cannot vouch for the accuracy or relevance of
the claims reported, but I did not make them up."

Those claims may well be rubbish as to the significance of Opus Dei influence, but I do not know that. So do not quote me as having used the words "cannot verify its veracity", which nowhere appear in any post of mine, nor accuse me therein of the doublespeak of having recounted references to Opus Dei in my links knowing them to be rubbish when I posted them, nor of any dishonest misunderstanding.

SM
Despite your response I stand by my last statement. Whether you are accusing the ALP of 'child abuse' based policy or 'values' makes no difference.

It is an absurd suggestion and you know it.

The difference between the Catholic Church and the ALP (or the Coalition for that matter) is that crimes of child abuse, pedophilia and rape are not covered up to protect the organisation in a grand conspiracy of silence and whitewashing tactics eg. moving priests from parish to parish to minister their sin over and over again.

Yes of course there are corrupt people in every organisation, your weakness is not being able to demand justice and transparency from all sides of politics including defending your 'team' no matter their wrongdoing. Your weakness is unfortunately a sign that Australia is not going anywhere soon in terms of demanding better of their representatives - more intent on playing sport while Rome burns.

I've met decent people on all sides of politics including the Liberals and I would not tarnish their good names and deeds by accusing Liberals of pedophilia based values on the actions of one person.

You can spin it all you like, but these accusations are nothing but bile and as I said remind me of the nastiness inherent in the anti-Muslim pamphlets promoted by the Liberal Party in Sydney.

Demanding more from our political representatives is not an exclusive goal and no party should be granted a free pass just because they more match our own political leanings. However, I suspect this will fall on deaf ears, and accept you will never volunteer to be a part of that greater movement.

As another poster put it, there is a difference between rose coloured glasses and a blindfold.

FG,

This may not be the greatest source of info, but it is the most concise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Clarke_(Australian_politician)
http://www.opusdei.org.au/sec.php?s=736

Given the fantastical nature of the claim you flighted, given only the oblique reference in your link, it would have similar credibility as claiming Julia Gillard was a communist spy.

Pelican,

In none of my posts was I claiming that ALP supporters or even rank and file members were criminals or otherwise, if you had bothered to read them.

SM
Well, sadily I have read your posts I just disagree with your assertions that ALP politicians base their values on, as your title asserts, around 'Child porn, paedophilia,gay bars,corruption, and the Labor Party".

I did not asumme you were writing of rank and file, clearly you were talking about Labor Politicians who are as broad a Church and as mixed a bunch as anyone in the Coalition.

I truly need to say this.
I trawled quite a lot of Shadow Ministers posts/thread titles.
Put together a list of ones that I found offensive.
Ready to post here As a counter/support for my opinions.
I have not bothered.
Pelican that last post,yours,is the best out come of this thread.
Not ever because it in part supports my views.
BUT the fact this country MUST DEMAND BETTER from all who sit in Parliament.
In the strangest, indeed weird way,we prop up poor politics and poor politicians by blindly excepting our side so say nothing politics.