This Shadow Minister is in my view an insult to free speech.
Belly,
Defending Labor is an insult to the decent people. So, we're square.

Individual we are getting very near both flaming and deliberate provocation.
It is best for OLO and me I do not let myself get down to your level.
I have an advantage over you, my IQ is in double figures.
Graham, I understand my retaliation is uncalled for and it would be better if I did shrink away.
However some place in the back of my head I still think free speech must bring some responsibility with it.
Fellow posters I ask you, is it OK to defame every one who votes ALP?
On 2 party preferred is it OK to say 44% of us are unworthy.
What is flaming if not in the posts of Shadow minister[ see his words winding me up] and individual.
Have I ever seen such from me? hope not
Is retreat for peace sake an option?
If so balance and fairness dies here.

Freedom of speech is not the freedom to say only what others find acceptable. It is the freedom to express an opinion, a thought or even a moot point without threat of reprisal from the "moral majority" or PC brigade.

The unions do not in their advertising pretend to present both points of view, neither do either of the political parties. My point, which by the way I believe, is that while there are many honest ALP members with integrity, the organisation itself is rotten to the core, and fosters an inordinate number of criminal MPs.

This can be compared to the Catholic Church, which while having many devout members, turned a blind eye to the horrors perpetrated by its clergy, and created a culture of entitlement and greed.

While most have railed against my interpretation, no one has challenged the facts on the ground that fraud, corruption, and even worse is common in the ALP, and until they actively work to change the culture of entitlement, the ALP risks becoming a joke like the Catholic Church.

individual:>> Defending Labor is an insult to the decent people. So, we're square.<<

Absolutely correct indy, as I have said previously the ineptitude of the current Labor lot sees all our hands going into the fire not just the hands of the imbeciles that voted Labor or Green in the last fed election, and there are less of them than those who voted for against them. This has become a personal issue for many as they are to be disadvantaged along with the imbeciles given Labor is imparting generational debt. We are still borrowing one hundred million dollars a day to service the debt Rudd endowed us with.

Belly you are sounding pathetic, truth is truth no matter which party does the deed and it seems truth and the bleeding obvious are becoming a stranger to your pro Labor diatribe.

The corruption that SM accuses the Labour party of is right through our society now. The more secular we have become the more corrupt. Singling out the Labour party is wrong. The Greens are full of people living in all sorts of perverted situations and claiming the high moral ground on social issues. The Liberal party also have their fair share of corrupt figures. People cry horror horror with child porn but some in the Liberal party defend Henson photographing young girls nude.

In many ways the liberal church is to blame for the corruption in society. As they started to stop calling evil evil people have become more and more comfortable with it. We are like frogs who have been slowly heated to boiling point. Parents rarely teach kids right from wrong and each generation does in excess what the last did in moderation. The average TV show is full of blasphemy, adultery and rebellion. Its no wonder we have produced such as corrupt society. I have met murderers with no remorse, rapist who laugh about the victims and thieves who justify their actions. The reality however is that we are all corrupt to varying degrees.

Thank God their was One who wasn't corrupt. Many today remembered what we all did to Him due to our own rottenness. Thankfully He is still pouring out grace and mercy to those humble enough to realise how wicked they really are.

SOG our relation ship, yours and mine has been shaky, but that rant lost me.
It is my view you do not have the ability to talk about this subject with understanding.
I have to force myself to understand, some posts here are from the truly uninformed.
Shadow Minister, once more,uses a tactic he has so very often, EVIDENCE HE IS A FLAMER!
He turns the insulting thread title away and focuses on my union background.
Over and again turning to insults about my background.
From 2005 my posts have been clear, my thoughts that some unions are hurting the movement.
NEVER have I claimed sainthood for them, or for my party.
I put this to posters,here in one single thread you can see why greens get votes, why fixed greens like TBC ignore the shattering bigotry seen here.
Some clearly including three posts here,have no true understanding of politics, that has become,
A requirement to be green, tea party conservative,true left Labor, a requirement to be so bigoted.
I one day would in person like to take an IQ test with those three content it would not leave me red faced, pride in being so bigoted is not an asset.