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Tobacco Should we Ban it?

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ahhh see the joke rusty
my father lived to be 52
im now 56

i been the oldest living male in my line for over 20 years
none ever made it to retirment..EVER

you see we got the prefect genes
we contibute compulsory super..
YET not ever live long enough to collect ANY of it...not even once..

yet we must subsidise you lot
who get longer life sentances

we who live long and prosper
because we of the weaker genes ...*die young

you think to hurt me
but im beyond pain

i been rejected all my life
i have only lived as long as i have because i smoked dope

my family genes have a heart deffect
i didnt realise the dope was easing the presure

i stopped breeding
or even having sex long ago
so mutating ..this corpses gene pool ..means nothing

get it sunshine?

you cant hurt me...so many have tried
i will be dead..and bellie or you can have my bed
you can have my super contribute..and have my compulsory smoking taxes

you can have it all
i will be silent..before you even notice
i might rate a byline in the local paper

loner died
a few years ago
was found today..by police
enforcing a warrent for letting a plant grow

but they were 10 years too late

but remember

that old fool refused to hate
many hated to hears his truths
but life as it shall be
will give you your proofs

no flowers
no grievers
no mourners..please

just put me into the dirt
its near worm feeding time
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 February 2011 10:55:44 AM
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OUG,

If your plan is to die sooner, smoking will help that.

Others, enjoying life, even with modest means, might like like living, seeing the next generation etc. No smoking helps such people.

I think well-grown dope is probably no worse than well-grown tobacco.

Both produce mutagens in the smoke that affect not particularly your gonads (except in proportion to their weight), but the somatic cells of your body.

A reasonable standard model of cancer has cells of a given tissue (say lung) being washed in mutagens (say smoke). Individual cells may accumulate mutations in any gene whatsoever. Of the twenty or so of the most important cancer-related genes, if that cell (or it's daughters, which replace it and inherit it's mutations) accumulates mutations in enough of those genes....Bingo!

Even a susceptible individual might take a long time to accumulate mutations. Another resistant one might take not long at all. The process is stochastic, and anybody counting on family history to justify low risk might yet be one of the "winners" in the cancer lottery.

Anybody who *wants* to live is strongly advised to not smoke. Anybody who *wants* to live but cannot give up is advised to filter and smoke unadulterated material, or seek alternatives, it *might* make a small difference.

It is clearly the case that you insist on doing this to yourself.

Many others smoke for reasons that are very poor, and less vehement. These could be helped by yet greater barriers to access.

Rusty
Posted by Rusty Catheter, Friday, 25 February 2011 11:54:22 AM
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oh rusty ..all smoke isnt mutagenic
why are you..so loose with facts

much depends on the size and shape
of the given smoke-particle

which is dependant..on just what is
being burned poorly..to make the 'smoke'

the micro-particulate from fossil-fuels
are particularilly dangerouse..

mainly because they have jagged edges
and are micro enough..to cause entry past the body/defences

it is noted that low-temp burning also is a danger
and burning any plastic ..causes the creation of dioxen's

in short
its not as simple or clearcut as your wordy spin indicates

much like the flawed modeling re globalwarming
[sorry climatechange]..also sold to us by quack-science

take the so called modeling.. excludes such basics as el nino
and la nina..not to mention the sun-cycles or earth-quake's and volcano eruptions ..all of which cause cooling not warming

but you educated types like to say science..
and watch the sheeples eyes close...
selling the mugs a simple santa clause theory...like carbon causing warming..so lets tax carbon

but others agree ..there are more greenhouse type gasses
than carbon..like methane..
[from home composting or leakey gas wells or mining coal
100 TIMES WORSE...* than co2]

but like el ninas are conveniantly deleted
to keep it simple
to get their adgenda
..to wit a new tax..through the public process[and into guilt/blame/shame..thus geting their new-tax via lies

docters are much to blame
hell indeed ..is full of em

sadly so too is govt
add-in accountants and ex-lawyers..
you got most of govt ..exposed as serving an outside adgenda

and thats the game ol rust buchette
[as you well know]

so its union shills..and bloggers selling their opinion
it still dont make either bigger/truer than god

spin is spin
however much its spun

docters still write opinion.. and cause of death ..{smoking
and there you have ..the root-cause of this lie
made into fraud statistics

that is enritching the anti-smoking lobby and media
and big-business..[even govt purse]

who peddle their perscribed drugs
to get at the govt purse ..via their new latest taxes

tell me why there were fewer deaths
when 90 percent were smoking

something smells
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 February 2011 2:45:40 PM
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One Under God give me the benefit of the doubt here please.
Not provoking you mate.
I TRULY am concerned for you.
Ask others too note you need help lets not taunt this bloke.
Reading between the lines you got ripped of buying chop chop, raw tobacco, probably untaxed and illegal, thieves are grubs mate no matter who they are.
Not sure about that bank, left that one years ago,they are not fair dinkum with our money, cost me $1.800 to learn that.
Mate I have seen you in far better moods, happy full of fun and it is bad to see you so down.
You speak of death, fight it mate every day get the little things that bring happiness done.
I may not be here for long, but every day I fight every day is fun and no I am not dieing not yet fight bloke.
Now my reality's are different than yours but those thirty years ago the black dog followed me every place I went.
Sat on my shoulder too, but I can tell you this self help is the strongest weapon, I gave up more than smoking back then.
Give it a go OUG worth the effort.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 25 February 2011 3:50:18 PM
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Tax it out of existence. Costs the nation billions a year.
Posted by 579, Friday, 25 February 2011 4:01:26 PM
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rusty we have had these debaits a few times
qwhile it is ok for bellie to chose to be ignorant
you [who claim to train docters] cant have the same right

thus lets inform the lie
cancer has at least 7 types
and very many causes

even the 7 types have sub types
lung caner's..for egsample has 5 subtypes
each having different causes and cures

to lump them into a ceneral heading of cancer
AND SAY THEY ARE ALL SMOKING [related]..DEATHS.is a provable lie

its the same with heart disease
but to attribute them ALL to smoking statistics is again pure faud

we can go through the list pick any smoking attribtable..'cause'
..and chances are docters are ignorant[i blame their teachers]
thus hide their ignorance.. as well as their misstakes
under died by smoking

i recall study of numbers way back in 2002
there was deaths by drinking
[ie directly drink related]..not attributable
[they went to smokers]

anyhow the number for drink deaths was just under 5000
but this was AGJUSTED down to 2000
because of the cLAIMED benifits of drinking
[a glass/nip] per day

now we dont need to guess
where those 3000 DRINKING DEATHS..went to do we?

but thats the game
and wether you chose to be ignorant
or are just blogging under a number
it is still a PROVABLE LIE

but no lawyer nor docter
willcome out and say that
because they are all quacks

think of a broken bone
docters 'set-it'
then allow god [natures nurture]..to fix it

or a common cold
take the docters jabs and pills
OR simply DO NOTHING
and in 4 days it goes away

quack
quack

about as usefull
as a former union official
or a random number quack quack lol
Posted by one under god, Friday, 25 February 2011 5:44:47 PM
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