Pelican:”I would agree with you Jewely if the effects of the substance did not affect other people in any way or create a huge swell in the numbers of those with mental illness, psychosis or depression.”

I suspect nature already did invent it Pelican but I’d be just as happy if a synthetic one was created by our pharmacy gods. I am avoiding thinking about all the sci-fi books and movies that have warned against just such a substance going horribly wrong though.

Thinking of smoking… my older sister used to smoke 3 a day. No idea if she still does, I kinda find that perfectly healthy. If she lived out in the country (which she does) and maybe also avoided car fumes etc I’d say she will outlive me.

But I find smoking three a day or even just one along the lines of not over-eating etc. It’s never what we do is it – it’s when we overdo it.

And because I have googled myself out today I have forgotten which country I heard about that recently made it illegal to smoke tobacco anywhere. I will go try find it because I’m wondering what sort of political system they have….

OUG, you can take my comment as nastily as you like.

If you don't believe smoking causes cancer, then you don't think I'm being nasty. If however you consider that I am professionally certain that it does, then I might be being very nasty indeed.

I was not talking of asbestos filters, but of normal ones. You are welcome to improvise yourself from cotton, cork, hemp or whatever takes your fancy. They reduce particulates but not vapourised nicotine.

Sadly they also don't reduce vapourised benzopyrenes, produced by burning just about any plant material, and incidentally the model carcinogenic mutagen found in coal tar.

It forms adducts of DNA and proteins, causing mutations and overt cellular damage. If the somatic mutations that accumulate don't add up to a bingo for you (yet), the constantly irritated damaged lung tissues will gradually and inevitably become emphysemic a very grim "smoking related" condition that is no fun at all.

Live long enough, smoke enough, sooner or later it will get you, and you will have been better off not smoking.

If you are going to smoke, I'd still say go for untreated, pesticide free home grown. Chuck out the mouldy stuff, specific carcinogens in plant moulds, like aflatoxin, are quite aggressive, usually targeting liver.

Rusty

I am truly concerned that we find some who think only in terms of personal freedom.
I suspect RC knows a lot more about this than me.
But is it not true we have been told damage to unborn children can come from smoking.
Yes know it comes from using grog and other drugs the subject is tobacco.
Once we grew a lot here, may even have subsidized the farmers.
Now not just here, world wide it is shrinking in use and few doubt it harms many.

i will let go bellies number changing from 15 to 17%
[ask wether this is globally or locally]..and how it was determined

we know china is a growth area..[he didnt mention them]
i too have heard media and the last time i heard it was near 30 percent

regardless of how it is determined
smoking sales is useles..many have curt down their use
so half the sales dont translate into half the smokers

then he said..''$208 cost every time,..half a weeks pay,.
30 years ago.''

mate no wonder you gave-up
thats obesity type smoking
[i spend 30 per fortnight..[on my chop chop mix]
one rollies pack ..a week ..4/5 packs of ciggie papers]

also funny
was the definition of 'smoker'
hawke and obama ..are teqniclly 'smokers'
so many closset smokers not in the numbers
and then there are the bums..smoking others ciggies

then...many did as i do
and havnt officially bought in a shop yet

its easy to play the number game lies
its easy to tax people to death
to use propaganda to get a new tax cash cow

its easy to pick on those who cant fight back
se how brave they were when the miners fought back

its easy to hate those..'others'
who you regard as scum

i gave up smoking a long time ago
but the world is so stinkey..
i had to go back to numbing my nose with smoke..
just to be able to like people..who stink with all sorts of chemical pheramoans...fake perfumes cheap oils bad breath..and gosh...'body oder'

how do you non smokers stand the stink?
how do you block your nose
as close as you blocked your hearts and minds

[oh ..i realise
you just hate others
and pick them off one by one]

till you got no one left you despise
yeah like that could ever happen...lol

you got ya hate
i got me smoke

see the joke
its all smoke and mirrors
that you hate in others..you hated in yourself

we have long seen ..how they add transfats to processed food
or caffene to sugar water and CARBON dioxide ..in 'soft' drinks

we have seen even how they add a few ciggie butts ..to chewing gum
and get a govt subsidy from ..the medical 'benifit'[legal drug subsidy trust fund]

noted this one

DEA to legalize marijuana chemical for Big Pharma
but keep it a crime for everyone else
By: malterwitty

Today, yet another example emerges as the DEA moves to legalize THC in Big Pharma's pills while simultaneously making it illegal for anyone else to grow, sell or possess THC.

The DEA, you see, is working to change the classification of THC from a schedule I substance (like street heroin) to a schedule III drug (pharmaceuticals).

So if Big Pharma grows its own marijuana plants, extracts the THC and puts it into a "pot pill," those pills will be perfectly legal.

They're already FDA approved, actually, when made with the synthetic version of THC....MARINOL..[but it dont works ...lol..only the real stuff 'works'..

But if a guy grows the very same chemical in his backyard, then extracts THC from those plants -- even for his own personal use -- suddenly he's guilty of committing a federal crime and will likely be subjected to an armed raid by DEA agents.

even though a plant is 'only' a drug
by legal manuvering...
ie as listing the plant as a drug
deeming the plant to 'be'.. a drug..[ie a lie]

anyhow i know you will be as troubled as i
cant believe how that really happend

http://www.naturalnews.com/031489_DEA_legalized_marijuana.html

well it happend the same way
this topic was created to 'happen'

by some pretend do-gooder
putting it out there
then selling their idea..for their mates to make an advantage

or destract abn activist from posting on more important issues
ie keep me distracted so i dont talk about 'other' stuff

and it works

here is just a few
i have been distracted from trying to fix

http://dailybail.com/home/goldman-sachs-owes-you-3-billion.html
http://dailybail.com/home/geithners-crimes-through-aig-will-the-truth-come-out.html
http://dailybail.com/home/bombshell-report-goldman-sachs-got-billions-from-taxpayers-t.html

http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/24/homeward-bound-water-as-a-weapon/

http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/24/mass-grave-sites-across-canada-to-be-surveyed-by-international-tribunal-prime-minister-harper-to-be-summoned-to-answer-charges/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-24/plague-kills-u-s-scientist-after-first-lab-illness-in-50-years.html

http://www.truth-out.org/main-street-movement-erupts-as-thousands-across-country-protest-war-on-the-middle-class68039
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o&feature=player_embedded

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_40c3dfbe-402c-11e0-8c68-001cc4c002e0.html

http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/677-e2-wire/145913-report-on-climategate-clears-government-scientists-of-wrongdoing

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/02/its-not-arab-revolution-its-global.html

http://knucklz.com/2011/02/24/wy---big-brother-at-wyoming-schools-legislature-considers-filming-teachers.aspx

but the powers that be know
i cant be everywhere
so sent the big bellie
to tie me down

its up to others to explain
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

but who cares right
im up to my butt in butts worrying about you
and all you want to do is bring me down

ok you win
the spin wins

what next?
do i ask for my money back?

do i name names[who might be totally innocent?

like the website server that served..to tricked me
the anz bank ..that took my money
the person who owns the anz account etc

i told him of this topic
and respect ..he is being decieved
i will encourage him to add in... who tricked 'him,'

however it goes...i expect to be dead sometime this year
either by smoking or trying to simply smoke

death will be such a relief
so much better than this hell full of liars
and those who think lies true