*And tell me yabby do you think tobacco tax covers health costs?*

Indeed they do. The worst thing for the taxpayer would be, if
you lived to be 95. In your last 2-3 years you'd get sick of
something, generating costs. Meantime you've had 30 years of healthcare
and pension, perhaps 5-6 years with Alzheimers in a home. What
do you think all that costs?

*have seen many suffer trying to and dieing early because they failed.*

Ah, now you are gettig warm, Belly. If they failed perhaps rather
then torture them into quitting,as you plan to do, perhaps its
time to find out how to make it easier for them to quit, which
is basically about brain chemistry etc.

We spend nearly zilch on that. Instead we install a Quitline,
where a good deal of the staff don't have a clue. Then wonder
why people don't magically quit.

IMHO Champix will make a difference, because its the first drug
that actually deals with the brain chemistry issue, rather then
keep the addict chewing on nicotine.

But if somebody became addicted whilst we encouraged them to smoke,
and now wants to finish out their life with a puff or two, so what?

You will die too, just like the smoker, maybe sooner, maybe later
and most of the time it won't be that pleasant. Trying to clobber
them with a proverbial 4 by 2, because they don't agree with you,
is hardly the way to tackle this issue.

onlinesuzie
offers her idea ..of sage-advice
'get help'

so suzz
who can help
to put the nanny/state back in its box?
ie get their greedy-hands ..out of my tobacco?

who do i go to to stop do gooders
trying to lobby..*a ban on my habbit's
but not theirs

who do i go to..*to stop the moralisers
who think they know whats best ..for me
by taxing me ..to an early grave?
and ongoing fear campains

so who do i go to
to find the server that put a web-site on line
to steal my money?

who do i go to..[to get help]
re the anz acting as co conspiritor
in [perhaps]stealing my money

how do i find out
what the real issue is with supply

who do i see about lies in the media

who do i go to
to find out who's rotten-teeth
are compulaory ..put on my tobacco packet?

who took the photo
of a bloated pigs artery
[filled with margerine..govt pays ..to put on my fags]

who do i go to to see
what facts sustain the lies of 15%
or 15,000 or all the other statisical lies ..sold as fact?

i been to see the cops
they dont care

you no doudt
want me to see some drug-docter [legal pill-merchant]
to medicate me into a drooling fool
..who is thus as ignorant as others seem to be

how do i let go
of people ...[busybodies]..wanting to put their hands on my business

how do i even begin
telling of the barrrrtardry
others do ..to others..with impunity

how do i convince ..a deluded person
im more than paying ...*my own way

not taking up the bed
..reserved for him
he paid for it
let him sleep in it

get help ya-self

the only help i need
is get govt's greedy hands..out of my pocket's

get govt to stop passing ever more moralising laws
and paying for adverts utttering threats and fears
on my tv
and smokes packet

go in peace
NOW let me ...smoke in peace

your smoke-screen is bothering me
ps perfume reeks worse than smoke

the nanny state is out of control
they put flueride/chlorene ..in ya water
[it kills bugs..what ya think its doing to you]

flueride by itself is useless...
[it needs other minerals to calcify into teeth/bones]
but it pacifies the population...thats what its there to do
it was the first thing the romans put into the water supply..because it works

but then it makes us kill milk's enzimes
via pasturisation...[for our own good]
but do the research on whole milk..[people dont get sick]

but spin them bull and they swallow it as fact
[just put up a fear campain and the docile sheep love you]

think of all the gmo they pump into kids
[thats how they make 'vacibne' nowadays
the usa even pased laws so we cant sue the subsidised drug merchants giving our kids dumbness;autism..look at them numbers..huge]

govt gives us transfats..
lets multinational suppliers supply us with poisend food
faties abound because govt protects them..and oppresses its own captive dumbed down people

First they came for milk maids
then they came for the kids
then it was the dope fienmds..grown up kids
then it was the smokers

next the media
then the teachers,
and I didn't speak out
because I wasn't a teacher.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Bloggers,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Blogger.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Apologies to Pastor Martin Niemoller
but curses on the demon autocratic capitalists
multinationalist passport holders doing the dirty deeds on us all..

go now..AND LIST THE POISENS
in your medication cabnet or in ya garrage..or under ya sink

check out the aditives put in ya food
or the poisens you spray in ya yard..or on your body

and then think what DID.. you do
when they came ...for you*

C'mon, Yabby. That's just silly.

>>Ah Pericles, just like losing weight. Eat less, yes or no. Sometimes yes or no, just ain't that simple.<<

"Eating less" can mean anything from 1% less to 100% less, which is far from being a simple decision. And depending on which number you pick, the effect will be different.

With cigarettes, it is binary. Yes, I'll smoke a cigarette. No, I won't smoke a cigarette.

I know you actually understand, because you're not stupid.

But I also know you like having the last word.

So, off you go, it's all yours.

That program both I and Shadow Minister heard, was I think on radio national or the ABC.
It gave figures of smokers as 17% gave an end date in about 2030, by that time it said we will have stopped smoking.
Other parts of the world too.
Not Latin America, not the African continent, sales are rising there as western world combats health problems with smoking.
And promotion is increasing there
I do not think promoting early death as a welcome side effect is humanity at work.
I see the I smoke so it is harmless group as ,well look for your selves.
Yabby in your case,the one you put to me,elderly who just must smoke, want to smoke need to, lets put for them only it on the health care lists, like other drugs including grass can be, not my best out come.
Hard to win, but worth the fight.
Nanny state? I find references to such weak and not related to the reasons people intervene in such as smoking.

*Eating less" can mean anything from 1% less to 100% less, which is far from being a simple decision.*

Come on Pericles, now its you being silly. Most fatties know
perfectly well that those 3 servings of ice cream were too much,
that the 4 extra cream tarts are overdoing it. If they halved
what was on their plate, they would lose weight, just like they
do if forced to halve it, by lapband surgery.

The problem is not about straight rational thoughts, its deep
inside that brain, eating as a compulsion to feel better. Like
I often point out, rational thought is only a part of all the
activity going on in the brain.

Its that following of compulsive feelings that makes it so difficult
for some to lose weight. Following compulsive feelings is why
smokers have such difficulties quitting.

In terms of brain chemistry, the two are actually linked. With
both in the end, its about rational thought or following your
feelings, one or the other, yes or no.

Smokers get a joy from dragging on that smoke, fatties get joy
from biting into that cream tart or whatever.

Gamblers get high on the adreneline rush of the dice, some women
go shopping to feel better.

The demons of addictive behaviour come in various colours, but
in the end they are all linked.