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Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 5:36:10 PM
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"... hence a lesson in why we should not legalise any other unhealthy or mind altering substances."
I disagree Pelican, I look forward to the day a decent mind altering substance is legalised. I'm sure they have some available but if people were happily addicted to a health neutral and calming substance I suspect many large companies would go broke overnight. Posted by Jewely, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 5:42:52 PM
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I would agree with you Jewely if the effects of the substance did not affect other people in any way or create a huge swell in the numbers of those with mental illness, psychosis or depression.
So far it hasn't been invented yet. Posted by pelican, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 5:55:17 PM
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Shadow
You are quoting research by a tobacco company that suggests a benefit (reduced life time health costs) from smoking. What a surprise. But there is a large and growing body of research suggesting otherwise. e.g. http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/6/601.full Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 8:19:21 PM
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And then there are critiques of the Phillip Morris research. To quote one:
"the correction of only one among numerous errors in assumptions and calculations in the Phillip Morris study leads to the opposite conclusion: Instead of savings of $150 million per year, smoking drains at least $373 million from the state budget annually, nearly .8% of the Czech gross domestic product." http://ntr.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/1/181.abstract Hey, but if you still think your opinion to be correct, then you could always show the forum how much cheaper health insurance premiums are for smokers. Oh, that's not right, but because you dont live as long you pay less overall on average. And if you get lung cancer, well that wont cost much because you will be dead pronto. Wow, what a selling point. Why aren't the health insurance companies using it? Posted by Fester, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 8:52:02 PM
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YES PELICAN...LETS TALK ABOUT PHYCOSIS
the statistics confirm... 2 out of 100 users of cannabis get phycosis [the pr spinners have been correct?..right?] well what they DONT SAY..! is for NON SMOKERS..its 4 in 100 [so 2 less than non smokers...but they wont add that bit] see thats the trick same with the latest advert.. [i caught the end of it just tonight] i think it says in words..something like every cigarette is one step closer to CANCER BUT WAIT A MINUTE..remember the link i revealed a few posts ago? ie ONLY ONE IN THREE..can even get cancer ie two in three CAN*not..!..get cancer so the current lie is rebutted..! see the scam? sell the propaganda in schools or on tv telling half truths..and out and out LIES little wonder SOME get parranoid... is that the afect of the drug or nerosis ..GENERATED by fear.. [by the lies/spin BIASED pr blurb?] see how it worked with dope now they done the same trickery ...with tobacco using the full weight ..of govt propaganda mercandising to declare WAR..by the lies and lies of WAR its really a war...it worked on the drug war now you seen it work on tobacco [and you wonder why ..im over the bullllssshhhhiiiit] the name of the gamer is govt declaringf a plant a drug then CRIMINALation of one percent of the population..[mainly kids]..every year...WHY? so people get cancer..as the ones using the cure stop using the cure..and get made into statistics[without even an autopsy]..ie without proof..or by distortion of selective facts like 20 times STRONGER DOPE...lol what my eyes get 20 times redder? see thc...works on thc recepters..once every recepter has a thc..THATS MAXIMUM DOSE..no more thc recepters..[plus the affect is physiological..[it expands the arteries..[thats the rush feeling] Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 9:29:29 PM
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others just might[will presume theyare fact
when they demonstratably are fiction
to wit.."The tars are still layering themselves up in your lungs."
wrong in so many ways
i think they are called fibracules..[but regardless of the name or the mechanism..lungs have a flow of mucas that 'cleans' then from dust [and tar]..etc
''The acrolein and benzopyrene still attach themselves permanently to nuclear DNA.''
yep so too does the benzine ..in your fuel
[you know that known carcinogen]...that replaced lead in ya car..!
go figure how that was ever allowed eh?
just think ..we didnt want kids to get dumb from lead
so we give them cancers instead...
[only govt via lobby gets something that stupid passed as law..!
'The carbon monoxide and cyanide will continue to cause the alveoli to lose their elasticity.'
at least be honest about dose rates used to prove this
using egsagurated dosage ..is one of their means to get lies made into fact
while were on that dosage rate
there is a thing with medicines
to wit..doses needed to cure rate
ie how many people..NEED to take a drug..to get one cure
i recall the dntc number for stroke meds is 50/1
50 people need to take it ..for ONLY ONE CURE
big pharma hates the dntc number
[and even worse..the drug has the same affect as one suck on a joint]
and the joint has a dntc cure ratio of 1/1..[it expands the arteries..thus the red eyes]
now lets look CLOSELY at ya quote
"By the first anniversary of your last cigarette,
your risk of ...*heart* disease*...LOL
should be about half of a smoker’s
yes certainly written by masters of spin
[joe hockey ..just said the same words ..in parlement]
i go to listen to real facts
oh and bellies
i buy it on the black market now
so do as you chose..ban it mate..i dare ya
im not going through a bad time
just cleaning up some wrongs ..in this world before i move on