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Stand by Your Man

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R0bert,
Tragically speaking it isn't always the man who does the violence nor is it always the strongest who is the perpetrator.
I remember one incident where a 11yo boy used to attack his mum with a carving knife. In reality she was stronger bigger but her terror was real as were the cuts.
Likewise I have intervened with a woman who used to bash her 18 old son with a cricket bat even though he was bigger and stronger..
And sadly a case where a man was regularly beaten by his psychotic wife..

Yer I know I needed to get another way to help...I have the scars to prove it.
Posted by examinator, Monday, 17 August 2009 9:51:02 PM
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Why not wait until the evidence is in, all of it?
I am not a fan of the bloke, born not far north of me, in NSW he seems to have cheated the rules to play for QLD.
However he is a great sports man.
I can imagine him hurting his lady not on purpose.
I also can understand him bashing her, it happens too often.
But he is being lynched here, why?
If he was a nobody we would never have heard about him as a result of this episode.
I however want to highlight the growing trend people in the spotlight have.
To much self belief not enough self control.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 5:02:02 AM
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Belly
We start with individuals to discuss their behavior as the behavior from a wider part of our comunity, as the behavior of a wider group of humans. I try to avoid to speak for specific individuals because I do not know what happened exactly, because I ignore many things and I have many questions about their acts, but we know generaly what happened with the people of similar behavior.
You have are instead to attack a specific person to attack his/her behavior or similar behavior.
We this way we avoid to victimize people while we ignore big parst of the truth about them.
You have right, we are not very fair in our coments and very often we hurt innocent people.
It is better to avoid the names focus on behaviors! The mass media is not a credible information source.
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by ASymeonakis, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 6:41:30 AM
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Foxy,

'In any event, the extent of violence among people who
are supposed to love and care for one another
isn't easily explained, and suggests that modern
relationships may sometimes be under greater pressures than
they can easily bear.'

Oh it's easily explained Foxy. All the men are wrong. It's black and white. Didn't you see the adverts?

R0bert,

'"If women want to be treated with respect & decency then they must behave respectfully & decently."
no more so than men and many men don't get that stuff right either.

Yes robert agreed. But there are no adverts telling women how to treat men, but there are adverts the other way around.

Once the government decides to get involved in the private lives of it's citizens, we have the Nanny State, or Government as Parent. Now this parent figure has decided it is taking sides in all domestic disputes, and putting the man up as the one in the wrong, and the woman as a faultless victim. That's just the rules of the game.

Belly,

'Why not wait until the evidence is in, all of it?'
Are you crazy? You obviously don't run a newspaper business.

'But he is being lynched here, why?'
a) He's a rugby League Player. Flavour of the month, and easy continuation of theme the public is really into at the moment.
b) Standard procedure. Find a villain and a victim. Even better if the villain has had a fall from grace.
c) Cross sporting code rivalry.

'I however want to highlight the growing trend people in the spotlight have.
To much self belief not enough self control.'
You obviously read the papers too much and take it all in.

TPP,

'Problem always is the there is no funding to approach anyone or their situations as individuals with individual needs. '
'How humans who are so diverse can have themselves be named a “type”.'

Yeah. It's hard to cater for that minority of the population that are male.

I enjoyed that drink BTW.
Posted by Houellebecq, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 8:56:36 AM
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Dear Houellebecq,

You write:

"It's easily explained - all men are wrong ...
Didn't you see the ads?"

No. I don't remember the ads - however, according
to the wesite:

MensRights.com.au

Sydney Morning Herald
Jordan Baker Chief Police Reporter
Feb. 23, 2008

"The number of women accused of violence against
partners has risen by almost 25 per cent in five years..."

In Sept 2003 police recorded 4915 attacks by women
on men ... by 2006-07 the numbers had risen to 6056,
according to the Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research.

The same site tells us that in the last five years
there were 32 per cent of cases that reached court of
domestic violence incidents against women and the amount
of cases that reached court involving violence against
men had risen to 56 percent. This is a vast increase -
possibly due to the fact that more and more men are
now reporting the incidents of domestic violence.

Therefore -
it seems that today there is a strong trend towards 'equality'
between partners - both can be equally abusive.
And as to why there aren't any adds about abuse against
males - possibly that could be due to the fact that
males are reluctant to report any abuse, but
it seems things are slowly changing ...
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 10:11:59 AM
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Belly,
My thoughts entirely if we're going to get into specifics.

Foxy,
Dear old H doesn't want facts he's on a mission to balance his chip (on his shoulder). (poor man, bugger me) ...
Love the figures I didn't know they were that high. I did know from experience that DV isn't one sided.
Sadly I see that there is some merit in H's view. E.g. the ever increasing super aggressive almost confrontational arrogance of some women drivers. I remember one case where a woman ignored a dangerous situation a prang followed in which she screamed abuse at an older male who was in the right threw pieces of debris at the man. But when the police arrived she tried took off her jacket to display her figure then acted little girlish to the young policemen taunting the frustrated man.
Unfortunately for her my daughter and I witnessed the case and both gave statements to the police who cautioned her. When the police left she came over to me, my daughter and man and got stuck in(abusive)

While this is one woman, some times it SEEMS an INCREASING NUMBER OF women will drive aggressively, even play chicken to illegally enter a flow then give the bird. (fair's fair)They then claim is that men do it but I ask since when did "two wrongs make a right?"
But hey reminding people of good manners and personal responsibility is pompous to some...and they complain if the shoe is on the other foot i.e. when they are on the receiving end.
Posted by examinator, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 12:26:30 PM
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