dwd laments that 'We can't have the governments blowing the guts out of women & kids just because another country doesn't agree with our lifestyle & then in our own country make the male gender sole blame of violence.'

Do we really solely blame males for violence in this country Dave?

I am fairly sure the courts take every case of violence on its own merits and then hopefully prosecute the perpetrator, no matter what their gender.

What I really hate is when someone is charged with violence against someone else, and the juries are told to give some leniency because of the poor perpetrators violent upbringing.

Broken faces and bones are just as painful for a victim, no matter what the background of the offender. Let's stand up for the victim instead.

Dear Houellebecq,

Thank you for your last post in which you opened up
a bit more. I appreciate your honesty - and frankly
it moved me so much that I want to give you a hug.

I'm seeing you in a somewhat different light -
and I quite like what I see :)

G'Day All,
Suzeonline, Have a good look at the ads that are currently shown & then tell me that the male is not held responsible for violence.
With regards to the Courts they may be able to make a fair judgement if the defendant is able to get proper defence but if one is only able to get bare mininum representation then it is extremely hard to be defended.
My ex & her family went to their relations at DoCS & made the allegation that I bashed & starved my son just to get custody of my son from me. DoCS then stated in Court that they didn't believe that in the first place but still took my son. Then DoCS state that it is emotional abuse because of 2years of DV but there is no records that support this claim. On the 18-9-97 I am supposed to be in a town 550klms from Sydney when I was in the Attorney-General's library all that day & was in Court the next day after staying in Sydney that night. Then those court records are altered.
The thing is what does a person do when it is finally found out that the partner is the one that is not allowing you to get your son home & every time that you try to contact your son & you are told drop dead you will never see or talk to your son again by your partners father.
It is a bit hard to write the whole story here Suzeonline but do as The Pied Piper did & contact me direct & I will give you my whole story E-mail (graysond49@yahoo.com) Thanks again for your time from Dave.

Suze:”What I really hate is when someone is charged with violence against someone else, and the juries are told to give some leniency because of the poor perpetrators violent upbringing.
Broken faces and bones are just as painful for a victim, no matter what the background of the offender. Let's stand up for the victim instead.”

The juries are instructed to consider both victims not just the one with the most recently broken bones. Isn’t it the courts job to establish also the “why” something happened and don’t people have to take in to account the circumstances around any crime? Isn’t that the difference between things like murder and manslaughter?

Houel gave an example of what could lead up to a person snapping under long term emotional blackmail and this woman (that I don’t believe), if this is a real story, is also an example of where a jury would be instructed to more lenient on the perpetrator?

G'Day All,
I have had to represent myself for 12 years tryimg to get my son home. Every time my wife & I have had representation the first & second visit to the solicitor the solicitor seemed very interested but every time by the Court day the representatives didn't want to upset the applecart.
This continued up to April 2006 then after my wife & I had separated (beginning of 2006) I said that we could co-habit the house we bought to bring (what I thought our son to) but her & her boyfriend were trying to scam the house for themselves. I told my wife that she could have her boyfriend in the room beside me I only wanted our son home but she just kept the rows going over & over.
So who is the victim here the father who has witnessed his son dragged across fences, rushed off in the middle of the night to God knows where then those carers writing that my son cried for his mum & dad until he made himself physically sick & the list goes on.
I made one vital mistake when my wife was assessed as "Histrionic" personality which I thought was of the past as my wife was diagnosed with "Re-active Depression" from childhood trauma at the hands of her mother the very one that has my child.
Anyway thanks again Dave.

Piper,

'Surely that particular vow is about things around the couple getting better or worse and not a member of the actual couple spazing out?'

I think we'll always get on if you keep using phrases like 'spazing out'. That's how I've always interpreted those vows. But what do I know I'm living in sin with bastard children. Or living platonically with divine intervention like her parents think.

As I said it depends on how long and how spastic they get. Or whether they're a normal person acting spastic, or they're just a f$ckn spastic. I reckon things ebb and flow and sometimes your partner takes the piss and sometimes you find yourself taking the piss. The whole point about being a couple is that you've got someone looking out for ya.

Foxy,

Are you suuure? I must be slipping. Actually now I'm a bit uncomfortable about it all.

Suze,

It depends on what you want the courts for. To punish and get revenge, or for the safety of the populace. Oh man, now I'm sounding really leftie.