"Dual citizenship and multiculturalism is gradually creating a land of disparate tribes, where tribes or groups will have nothing in common and nothing to do with each other. A country simply cannot hold together like that."

Leigh,

I think this trend would have happened regardless of whether or not we had multiculturalism and immigration. The native born population are just as prone to splitting into their own groups or tribes as anyone else. The point you raise goes to sustainability and of going past the natural carrying capacity of this country whether that be in terms of physical resources, native culture or anything else. In that sense, I agree with what you say. There is a limit to everything in the physical world. Unfortunately, the way society works, we do not put any remedies in place until something big and bad happens and we're shaken up by events.

Pied piper,
You must no longer be on the outer with DOCS if you now have 7 littles. How you can still find any time to post amazes me. I envy your energy. Work your charm on hubby for that extra bathroom.

You asked "Do the Muslims here not feel Australian no matter what generation they are? Or do they reject aspects of Australia that clash with their own belief systems and will do forever?"

I would not say all muslims, but a lot of Lebs are that way and a lot of other Migrants as well. Some show utter contempt for us, our laws and society and yet they take out citizenship and all the advantages of our society. Antonios, for example, does nothing but critisize Australia. Some alien cultural practices will never alter.

During the recent Israel/Lebanon conflict, Australia had to remove thousands of 'citizens' from Lebanon. Most of these were also Lebanon citizens but quickly demanded we help them. They lived permanently in Lebanon and had no assets in Aus. When they arrived here, Centrelink held seminars to inform them how they could assist them. Many had been receiving our welfare payments in Lebanon. I really think that these are not worthy of being called Australian.

Leigh,
I do not think you really expected more from the posts and yes, A lot of it is from our own doing, by allowing dual citizenshp and pushing multiculturalism.

However it is a bit encouraging to note that, so far, the current government has not pushed the MC agenda. MC appears dead and the sooner it is buried the better. It has taken a long time, but that is because of the inate stupidity of politicians

Col Rouge
"I am British by accident of birth and Australian because of a conscious choice and decision.I live in Australia and vote in Australian elections. I travel on an Australian passport and pay Asutralian taxes. Conversely, my British Passport lapsed around 15 years ago, I have not visited UK since 1989,"
Why Sir, UK is a nice country, I have many friend from UK who visit UK often, what happened with you and even to visit UK do not like?
But while you did not visit UK for long time I know that you publish very patriotic texts for UK on the forums! I remember I fought in this forum to pretect your right to support and express your love for UK. It is seemed to me that now you change mind!
Every one pays tax and every Australian citizen votes, you are not the only one.
Col Rouge can you tell us for your patriotic posts for UK and why one poster on this forum said to you that you do not belong in Australia?
Col Rouge Are American citizen?
I have two citizenships and I love both countries Greece and Australia and even I have got more love in my heart!

The Pied Piper
Are you “Kiwi”? You seem so good Australian!

Leigh
"Dual citizenship and multiculturalism is gradually creating a land of disparate tribes, where tribes or groups will have nothing in common and nothing to do with each other. A country simply cannot hold together like that"
But we are a multicultural country and we have double citizenship long time ego whithout problems! Some nationalists do not like it but they are a small minority! Simple we ignore them, Australian governments, Liberals or ALP ignore them too!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid

dwg,
I agree with you, it took us along time to rectify that.

But am sure you will agree that there are many that are not Australian because their aleigence is firstly to another country, but they take what they can get from us.

“You must no longer be on the outer with DOCS if you now have 7 littles. How you can still find any time to post amazes me. I envy your energy."

8; forgot my own one. 6 are little. Yeah DoCS did ease up all of a sudden with two urgent placements, one already here and two on respite here (I hate respite), one restoration and another one until 18 years old.

Even I get confused. Helps having the computer in the kitchen and a kitchen in the middle of the house. My secret is video monitors around the house with the monitor next to me. And I have funny habits like (except vacuuming) all housework happens when little ones are in bed. I am obsessively organized and a clean freak.

“I would not say all muslims, but a lot of Lebs are that way and a lot of other Migrants as well. Some show utter contempt for us, our laws and society and yet they take out citizenship and all the advantages of our society.”

Me and you Banjo are going to have this conversation forever, probably along the lines of it taking two to tango. Are they displaced, stuck, bitter – can’t return? Are there any online we can ask?

“… Centrelink held seminars to inform them how they could assist them. Many had been receiving our welfare payments in Lebanon...”

Yeah people can get their pensions here aye... like from England and NZ also the other way round? I don’t see how things work, the money must be leaving NZ rapidly with the Kiwi pensioners living and spending here?

I didn’t know about the conflict and Lebanese receiving benefits. Why pay benefits if someone has residency in another country? My hubby has an Italian passport as well but one rule was that he would never claim a benefit in Italy for his own children.

I am taking my little Aussies for a walk… and I am teaching them all to say fish and chips like I do. Most of them leave with a southern Kiwi accent. Ha!

“then what is the advantage if forever, because of accent alone, I am called “Kiwi” here?”

Get used to it Pied Piper – the Poms did and no offence intended - it’s part of the Aussie vernacular even though nicknames may seem harsh and cruel:

She’s a Pom, he’s a Scottie (but don’t you get mad when Aussies say “Scotch?” He’s a Yankee, she’s a Froggie, he’s a Luigi, he’s a Paddy, that’s Nick the Greek (even though he’s not a “Nick.”)

OK perhaps a little insensitive but Aussies are trying hard to shut their mouths.

However, I’m a sandgroper! Then there’s banana benders, crow eaters, dust eaters or top enders, Westies (NSW western suburbs), Tasmaniacs (ahem!) sheep shaggers and so on. Victorians were once referred to as "gum-suckers."

The latest to do the rounds is “Piss drinker” – a Queenslander; referring to recent proposals to introduce recycled water for potable use in Queensland.

So what's wrong with "Kiwi" when New Zealanders living in Australia, refer to themselves as "Kiwi?" A word of warning, however, remember to never ever say: “towel heads” in the present climate for you’ll be breaching the Racial Discrimination Act.