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When is an Australian not an Australian?

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It is a privilege to have two or more citizenships! Most countries accept it, including Australia, but in some countries as UK, ISRAEL, GREECE, GERMANY ETC YOU CAN TAKE THE CITIZENSHIP EVEN IF YOU ARE TEENTH GENERATION MIGRANT IN AN OTHER COUNTRY!
"But AS how do you conclude MOST Australians have two nationality's?" Because most australians come from european countries and because it is an advantage to have two or more pasports!

Foxy "I'd have to say that it's when in their hearts people don't
feel a sense of belonging to the nation. When
they don't feel a sense of loyalty and pride in
the nation's culture and history.
Basically Leigh, I guess it's what you feel in
your heart."
What do you say Foxy, can you tell that I am not Australian because I desagree with you? Can you tell me that I am not Australian because I do not like Howard's Australia? Can you tell me that GERMANS WAS NOT GERMANS BECAUSE THEY WAS AGAINST HITLER'S GERMANY? Are you joking Foxy?
Do you give the right to any extrem nationalist to call any one NON australian, to expell from Australia or take the Australian pasport because he/she do not feel proud or do not love Australia? Which Australia? Proud for what? EVERY AUSTRALIA CITIZEN IS AUSTRALIAN AND NONE CAN TELL ANY AUSTRALIAN WHAT TO LOVE AND WHAT TO HATE, FOR WHAT TOP BE PROUD AND FOR WHAT TO FEEL SHAME. Only Stalin, Hitler or other paranoic dictators put limits and terminated the chitizenship from their opponents. In a democracy every one believes and supports what he/she believes and none can deny his australian citizenship!

mickijo the australia rules accept the double citizenchip, learn the Australian rules, even Australia accept australians to be MPs or Senators in other countries!

The Pied Piper "Good verb there Leigh"
My good friend I am not pythia to understand the meanibg from your post but I thing I agree!
Antonis
Adelaide
Posted by AnSymeonakis, Sunday, 26 July 2009 6:39:45 PM
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AS,

I think you need to check the dual citizenship arrangements of other countries before you make bold assertions. I am a British citizen only by a stroke of luck. My mother was born in England, and my father was born in Kenya to Welsh parents. My mother's birthplace is enough to give me right of abode in England, but not citizenship. My dad's ancestry is not enough to give me any citizenship rights. It is only by a stroke of luck - Kenya was a crown colony at the time of my father's birth, and therefore 'English soil' (thus my dad was born in England) - that I am able to claim British citizenship. My kids won't have that right.

As for the use of passports, I proudly state that I am Australian. I have Australian citizenship and an Australian passport. I am entitled to a New Zealand passport, a British passport and (probably) a Zimbabwean passport, as I was born in Zimbabwe to permanent residents of that country and former Rhodesian citizens. I don't have any of those passports, though, and am unlikely to apply for one. But it's comforting to know that I could if I wanted to - you never know what the future may hold.
Posted by Otokonoko, Sunday, 26 July 2009 6:57:18 PM
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"The Pied Piper "Good verb there Leigh"
My good friend I am not pythia to understand the meanibg from your post but I thing I agree!"

S'okay my good friend... I don't know what "pythia" means. The verb (or "doing word" as I learnt at school) that Leigh used was SYMPATHIZE, also can mean to "understand".

I also wonder why if the woman was born and bred here why she did not feel she could identify herself as an Australian. I understand if she identified herself as Muslim first - since the conflict was about her religeous attire.

I don't get what you thought that Foxy said wrong?

Otoko = Bloody spoilt![smile]
Posted by The Pied Piper, Sunday, 26 July 2009 7:08:56 PM
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Dear Antonios,

Kindly don't put words into my mouth.
Re-read my post - and try to understand
what I'm really saying.

At no time did I say that you were not allowed
to criticize the governments of Australia or any other
country. That's not the issue here. Besides, that
goes without saying in most democracies.
And, I certainly don't expect you to agree with me.

And, there is not need for you to preach to me about
Stalin and Hitler and their regimes. My family members
suffered under both.

What I was saying to Leigh was that the most important
thing about what makes an Australian, (or Greek, or whoever...)
was the love people felt in their hearts -
(that is the love of their country) ,
that's what mattered - when it came to belonging
to a particular nation.
I quoted this very basic genuine feeling -
simply because of the fact
that there were so many in the country my parents came
from who sold their country out to the communists. Thereby
showing they had no love in their hearts for the nation.

If you can't understand that Antonios - that's not my
problem - but yours.

If you can't understand this simple concept - then I guess
that's your problem.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 26 July 2009 7:27:14 PM
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Otokonoko
"My mother's birthplace is enough to give me right of abode in England, but not citizenship", "I am entitled to a New Zealand passport, a British passport.." My english is not very good. Do you mean you can have british pasport but not british citizenship? Is not it strange?

The Pied Piper
My friend "if the woman was born and bred here why she did not feel she could identify herself as an Australian" She had European pasport with full rights as European citizen and you expected from her to tell that she is Australian and lose her rights as European citizen? Australians in Europe are foreigners with limited rights but not Maltize!(THEY ARE MEMBER OF EUROPEAN UNION)
My friend EVERY ONE WITH DOUBLE PASPORTS USE EACH PASSPORT ACCORDING TO ADVANTAGES FROM IT!
In NEW ZEALAND I WILL USE AUSTRALIAN, IN FRANCE I WILL USE EUROPEAN, OK?
"I don't get what you thought that Foxy said wrong?"
My good friend in every country the extrem nationalists want to take the passport and citizenship from migrants if they do not line with them. If I accept that Australian is someone who believe or feel as the other Australians then I give to nationalists the right to punish the migrants, as non australians. Many and famous Americans When Bush elected as USA president said "I feel shame because I am American" Many times people say these thinks. Do you think we will give the right to extrem nationalists or to opponents to take our passports and expell us? NO! AUSTRALIA IS EVERY AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN AND HOW AND WHAT HE THING AND FEEL ABOUT AUSTRALIA IS HIS BUSINESS!
I try my good friend to protect migrants rights from extremists. Greek military junta took many pasports of Greeks overseas because they was against the junta. I am against it, I want to protect migrants and the freedom of expresion. OK my good friend? Some times I do not understand you I hope you forgive me!
Antonis Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by AnSymeonakis, Sunday, 26 July 2009 7:55:03 PM
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Foxy
My worries is not to give any point any one that there are australians not australians, because may be one day some extrem nationalists use it to punish the "non Australians" or may be people will not express their thoughts because they will worry not to tell them "non australian" Australian is every Australian citizen! NO discussion about it! Do you understand me Foxy?
Foxy your first paragraph was soft and I hardened it!
I prefer to sent strait, clear messeges! Sorry if sometimes I seem hard to you! We use different tactics! You try to be friendly, I provoce and I am noisy I try the others to remember what I said, to think about it, to discuss about it! I do not care very much if one more hate me! One more do not change the balance! I know that I can not have friends if I do not have enemies!

Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide
Posted by AnSymeonakis, Sunday, 26 July 2009 8:19:08 PM
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