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When is an Australian not an Australian?

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What is the definition of an Australian. An australian could be anybody as long as they follow a few simple rules.
Do not walk around like you are different than everybody else.
Do not talk about religion, its private.
Keep your beer drinking to a maximun level.
Always remember football is a form of religion, so be prepared to change teams when necessary.
If you follow this you will fit in to any class of population.
Posted by Jacksonn, Friday, 31 July 2009 5:19:42 PM
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Antonios,
You said 'What I said to you is that you are not very familiar with australian values, you do not care very much for democracy and human rights, you do not understand very much from human or social sensitivity,'

I believe I am very familiar with Australian values and democracy and hunan rights. e.g. Few Aussies would agree with FGM and forced marriages.

You say 'My dream is to see you one day to support Libanese Muslims in Sydney!'
When lebanese muslims respect our laws and social standards and change their anti-social ways, I will give them respect.

Good to see that you are trawling my older posts. Nothing wrong with that, you may even learn a thing or two.

When you answer the questions i put to you I will answer all yours. fair enough? I'll get it going by responding to your first Question.

I said "The stark reality is that not all cultures are capable of adapting to the concept of living with others."
Your response "What cultures are not capable of adapting? Realy do you believe that some coltures are so bad? Do you want to block them and bring ...WHITES?"
My response. Do you think the Croats and Serbs adapt to each other. Are the Lebs capable of getting along with ANYONE. None of these have adapted very well, over 3 generations. Yes i want to block anymore coming of those that cannot adapt, and bring anyone else of any colour.

Your turn to answer my questions!
Posted by Banjo, Friday, 31 July 2009 8:30:10 PM
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David I was really pleased to correspond with you, it actually gave me additional knowledge and a direction to go in that I am more than happy with and I thank you for your thoughts and your story.

Banjo baby I really really have met some nice Lebs, spent 6 months just hanging out by a pool with three of them while the poor buggers were forced to endure my very demanding young children. They spoilt them rotten. They all spoke French, English and Arabic. They were all Christian – I remember some Scottish nurses taking a real shine to them. There was a wide streak of chauvinism in each but they were still in their twenties. Being young (cause I was old then at about 31) they were very respectful towards me as a mum.

And I so wish you’d met them. Their names were Peter, Phillip and Richard. But then I also met some lovely Muslims who took a lot of time to explain stuff to me (me and my constant questions). I woke up to the call to prayer each morning and avoided mutawa at night on the streets along with the other Muslims. Kids while shopping would wrap their hands around my legs and leave a store with me… all women looked the same so similar footwear lead to this mistaken identity.

It is hard to explain how cool it is to be anonymous in public wearing all that black material, I felt really naked without it when I returned to NZ; horribly exposed and judged. Similar feeling as if you were forced to paste a photo along with your posts I guess.

As far as immigrants go, either obey laws or leave. But Banjo it is up to this country to enforce its laws and have good laws. Protect its children first and foremost; this country does not do this.

Then listen to Whistler, Dave, Peter and HuffnPuff. I know on here there is talk about some silent audience. Any evidence ever?

Knuckles Jacksonn, ya goose.
Posted by The Pied Piper, Friday, 31 July 2009 10:01:20 PM
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Pied Piper,
You have mentioned your experiences in the ME before and i do not doubt you, but that is not the experiences we have had in Aus.

I have met and known non-muslim lebanese as well and they seem OK. They have a good reputation. There are many muslims of other nationalities here as well and we never hear about them, Malays and Indonesians for example. Other muslims do not appear to be a problem.

The simple fact is that Lebanese muslims have a bad reputation here brought about by their own doing. They are known for their arrogance and rudeness, particularly to women and girls. Over the years there has been hundreds of complaints from shop assistants, nurses, female police and ambos, receptionists and teachers about the conduct of male Lebs. Gangs of Lebs have bashed many anglos or 'Skips' as they call them. It seems that they make obviously sexual approaches to gitls and when rejected they turn nasty with abusive language. They seem to believe that any female not wearing muslim garb is a whore and slut. This was the situation at Cronulla beach and nothing was done, despite many complaints,(cultural privilege) which culmanated when two young lifesavers interviened when a group of Lebs were harrassing a group of girls. The lifesavers were bashed. That is when the locals decided to 'retake' their beach.

That night and the next many Lebs proceeded to Cronulla and nearby suburbs en masse and bashed people and caused much damage to vehicles and property. The police knew about this and did nothing to prevent it. (cultural privilege).

There were about 60 gang rapes carried out on girls in the southwest of Sydney and some Lebs were convicted. The ordeals of the girls was horrific. During the trials the victims were hissed and spat at by friends and family, some female, of the accused when going to and from the court during adjurnments. There was constant interjections from the gallery with one loud remark "Whats wrong with f#####g a whore?"

Continued.
Posted by Banjo, Friday, 31 July 2009 11:21:02 PM
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Continued,
Teachers have refused to go to certain schools because of the behaviour of the male Leb students. Some Lebs think it beneath them to be served by a female shop assistant, or be treated by a nurse. Old ladies have been harrased and intimidated to sell their house that the Lebs wanted. Complaints made about Christmas scenes at shopping malls and Santa stopped from visiting pre-schools.
Demands made to councils for special times for muslim women only use of swimming pools. Some have even tried to enforce, by intimidation, the exclusive use of certain parts of beaches and picnic areas.

You can see why the Lebs have a very bad reputation.

Maybe the anti-social thing is because we got the main influx of them during the civil war in Lebanon and maybe most came from a certain area there. Or maybe that the Lebs are the most numberous of the muslim population here and they have to continuely to show others and themselves they are top dog. Who Knows?
Posted by Banjo, Friday, 31 July 2009 11:33:04 PM
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“Maybe the anti-social thing is because we got the main influx of them during the civil war in Lebanon and maybe most came from a certain area there. Or maybe that the Lebs are the most numerous of the muslim population here and they have to continually to show others and themselves they are top dog. Who Knows?”

I can’t dispute any of it Banjo and I have encountered the same where I am, or my daughter has regularly. She said there is one house with 2nd or 3rd generation (maybe more no one has asked them) Lebs and still when she walks past they yell out “slut” etc. She’s pretty used to it now since she walks past a lot.

If she was a sensitive wee thing I’d probably be having a mental and I’m kind of surprised no one else has made a complaint. Weirdly some of them lived in another house that burnt down a few weeks ago now.

For all I know I’m in the middle of some localised race war and haven’t noticed.

As for my girl, I just keep reminding her of the other Lebs we've known.
Posted by The Pied Piper, Sunday, 2 August 2009 8:23:21 PM
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