Banjo
Many people tell you racist, direct or indirect. I do not think you will change if I will tell you too. What I said to you is that you are not very familiar with australian values, you do not care very much for democracy and human rights, you do not understand very much from human or social sensitivity, If I did not know you and read your posts then probably I will think that the posts come from a white suprimasist or that you are close to NAZI (nationalist) than to western democratic values. Personaly I do not have a problem with you, you are not against my race, but our defferences are about muslims or asians but mainly about Libanese Muslims. I am not a religious person and I have differences with Cristian or even more with Muslim religious.
While I desagree with Muslim religious I respect the rights of Muslim people and I try to support them, to protect them from unfair attacks, discrimination or victiomization.
In this forum you have turned your arrows often against Muslims.
I do not care at all how you call me, but sure I do not feel very proud that between us there is person, YOU, with so bad ideas for a big part of australians.
My dream is to see you one day to support Libanese Muslims in Sydney!
You are a smart man and may be one day my dream become reality!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaid

G'Day Again,
Just following on from the last post. We hear all this & that about the rights of migrants & how we here in Aussie treat them but reverse the role.
How does the migrant treat those that were here the Indigenous & the Aboriginal?
Do they (the Migrant) stand on a united front with these (the Indigenous & Aboriginal) to preserve our Lore & Culture?
Does the migrant stand only for the right to preserve His/Her own culture? If this is so then don't move here in the first place stay where His/Her culture already is!
The way the migrant carries on (%'age wise) is that they are an "Invader" & we here are the "Vanquished" & we "Must" accept their culture & pass "Laws" to give them the right to do it.
If I enter your home do I abide by the rules of the house or do I enter then stand there & say now you do this/that in this/that way? No you would tell me to go take a flying jump.
Then the same applies to this country.
Yeah, The Pied Piper the "Home Team" isn't doing real well here.
Thanks again. Dave.

Banjo:”Friends of mind just back from NZ trip in camper van. Loved it and he did ask why so many Kiwis immigrated and the answer apparently is for work. Nice place but not enough work there. Can you tell me why?”

No… gawd. But I can tell you why I am here. Husband works on a machine called the AS400 (nope I have no idea what it does)…something about JD Edwards as well. Now according to him the work was indeed running out in NZ in his particular field.

IBM gave him redundancy in Wellington and he found a job in Christchurch (we moved from North to South Island). After a couple of years the company he was working for in Christchurch started “winding down” so he started looking and found a job in Sydney.

I was stoked… I’d been wanting to move here since I was 14 and did the caravan thing with my parents around Oz. Actually I wanted to move to Darwin which I remembered as pretty cool back then.

Your friends survived NZ in winter in a campervan, crazy buggers. Did they go for the snow? I hate snow, unlike the Eskimos I have only one word for it which the editor here wont let me write.

“Yes to all and more. Most immigrants adjust to our society and learn what acceptable social conduct is and so on. But that does not excuse the few that hold us in contempt in many ways.”

Oh okay, I think I finally understood your point.

“... Drains you though don't it?”

I want to lie on the couch and bleat and complain about being sick while people bring me juice and blankets. And I want to know why a 5 year old is running around screaming out “you’re a big disgrace we will ROCK YOU!” over and bloody over.

Being able to focus on your message Banjo may have just saved a small life.

Dave… err nah I migrant would understand little of the aboriginal story. In NZ we just heard all the time how badly you get treated.

Banjo
Do not lie! I said that you are close to Nazi than to AUSTRALIAN values, I did not tell you are a NAZI, if I tell cristians are closer to Muslims than to atheists I do not say that Cristians are Muslims. Banjo you are very hard with migrants, for example you wrote that :
"The stark reality is that not all cultures are capable of adapting to the concept of living with others."
What cultures are not capable of adapting? Realy do you believe that some coltures are so bad? Do you want to block them and bring ...WHITES?
"Unity in diversity' has to be one of the biggest lies ever"
What do you think for people from other religious , civilizations or races? Do you want to expell them?
"Migrants come here as our guests and their rights are what we bestow on them"
Come on Banjo migrants have rights, they are protected from the international law, why do you deny their human rights, their rights according to international law?
"We discriminate now in relation to various aspects of criteria and we are under no obligation to accept anyone who desires to come here"
Banjo you are shamaless, you publicly accept that we discriminate and you think we have the right to discriminate(under no obligation )
"The Lebs reputation is due entirely to their anti-social behaviour"
Do you realy believe that all Libanese are bad as all white australians are good? There are not good Libanese? Do you think that could be good idea if we sent them to Ausvits, Dachaou or Mathousen in the first opportunity?
"I would reopen all detention centres and get army to guard" (for elegal migrants- refugees)
Come on Banjo do not be so hard with humans, give them a chance, WHERE IS YOUR human sensitivity and understanding?
You are angry with me when I say you are closer to Nazi than to western democrasies.
You are against australian values, australian civilization.
We (australians) understand and accept and respect and support and hurt for the human suffering, YOU NOT!
Antonios Symeonakis
Adelaide

G'Day All,
Lets stop all the in fighting & name calling that is what we are supposed to be answering. The Pied Piper has a pretty good idea what makes me tick & where I am coming from.
Why? The Pied Piper had the decency to contact me on my direct e-mail & find out.
We have to start to recognize the good in people simple as it is. My Father told me,"The Bad will hit you on the point of the chin set your self a task & look for the Good. Also never get involved in gossip & left me to work out the answer.
Well I can tell you the answer that I arrived at & that is; Gossip is the first form of denial of natural justice.
Thanks Dave
The thing is people talk of the this/that & whatever & keep seeking answers because we (me included) keep asking Why.
We speak of Democracy well if we want to know of Democracy then consult the texts of the Ancient Greek you won't only get that answer you will find the answer to where the "Early Horizons of Natural Justice in the Western World" stems from & the Laws that became Divine right based on a religion is what the Ancient Greek taught & left a legacy to the common person of Divine right.
Now if we recognize Those rules,then we will see that those rules bind very closely to the "LORES" of the common person. Then one should see "Backfella,Whitefella,Yellowfella,Redfella,Anyfella" doesn't really make much difference as long as we talk "LORE" they are near the same.
So now blend this together with the Oldest continuous culture (lore & still practiced & taught today) surely we should be able to biuld on that as a foundation.
What's the saying go backward to go forward?
Thanks. Dave.

G'Day All,
Sorry about the "Thanks. Dave." in the middle of last post it is not supposed to be there. Dave