Robert.

Thanks for all your posts and comments.

They have been very balanced and fair.

I have not meant to ignore you but you have always seemed so balanced.![smile] Pew Thank Goodness we have some normal posters.

Reading your comments about night shopping gave me an idea until Woolworths and others increase their Free Range stock.

Perhaps when The Free Range web site is more organised we could set up people who actually deliver to the home.

They could be made up of the baker and milk from Free Range to Vegies and of course meat.

The Free Range Man Or something like that. If nothing else it would put the wind up a few big stores.

I heard Woolworths are trying to buy more Free Range meat products due to demand but of course at this stage there is not enough.

Who knows they might go into their own Free Range Farms if they feel threatend enough so keep up your great attitude.

I have read all your posts and some of the info is very interesting.

I guess you know we all appreciate it. I hope you do.
Considering your also working your time spent on this forum is very much valued.

What do you think of the new web page for free Range Farmers in Australia?

Any ideas Robert on how we can get the message across to the Church Leaders at the same time educating the public always welcome.

Its really really important that we somehow convince the farmers we want to work together with them to improve not only animal welfare but their lives as well.

I think we can do it but it will take time. At the moment I wont lie to you most farmers are so angry at the attacks from extreme people telling others not to eat meat you cant speak with them.

Still PALE is start and the first of its kind to support Free Range Farmers.
Its one step at a time.

Robert where abouts in WA are you?

Hello Alchemist
Aren`t you a bit off the world of reality?

The fact still remains whether you like it or not, that people will eat meat and will do so for a very long time to come.
In the meantime someone had to find a solution to minimize the cruelty to animals domestic and wild while people decide if they want to be a vegan or eat meat from a source that is less cruel-> free range and support a much more humane slaughter here in Australia.

How much meat society consumes also depends on how many children enter this already overcrowded world.

You have cruel people in all races, and we have to clean in front of our own door first before we attack others.
I lived in the southern Eden- Monaro area ->Snowy Mountains where most of the livestock didn`t have shelter from the elements. Very appalling sight and death must come as a relieve to these animals…

Attacking one of the very few people in this case Wendy is a bit far below the belt line.
She works without any funding and to her own financial costs (unlike some others)vigorously and tirelessly to help the animals up to 16-20/7.

Her only crime is to help the animals to have better living conditions and being slaughtered here in Australia. To spare them from suffering during transport, and to minimize the stress before and during slaughter!
Her aim and alternative project should be seen as one of the best solutions provided by any animal welfare group yet.

There is no personal gain for Wendy in her suggested business as it all goes back to Animal Welfare. I know it as I typed out the MOU with AFIC.

FYI PALE cares for all animals not only livestock and we pay the Vet bills to!
All one can do is educate people and make them aware of what`s happening.

What`s your solution to the problem? Stop society from eating meat? It won`t cut it!
I am listening.

May I ask why are you afraid to post under your real Name?

Yabby,
re Kangaroos This is one of the largest cruel mass slaughters in human history and condemned all over the world. Although there apparently is a need to reduce their numbers in various spot around Australia they are never the less a priceless asset to our Country and bring in the much needed tourism Dollars.

People are entitled to do what they want to do, but there is a limit on how far ones freedom can go and should go.’
I do not want to get off topic so I will not enter into that debate here.

As a toddler I lived for a while next door to a butchery.
Also I didn’t see the animals being killed. I heard their cries and saw them hanging on the rack, pig, deer, wild boar. etc and the occasional cow or bull.
It’s a gruesome sight and the smell is abhorred.
I agree killing and butchering animals be it domestic or wild takes a certain mentality - the one of psychological madness.
Work ethic can be trained and should be forced on certain types of people for various reasons.
Again a topic for another forum.

Certain people need an incentive to know/find out what they are capable of doing.
You know the saying You can lead a horse to water but you can`t make it drink. This applies to people as well.

I do not support a welfare system where people bludge on taxpayers money until pension age and reap as a reward old age pension.
So certain strategic plans have to be in place to accommodate the need of every individual to get them into the workforce that fits them best.
Everybody is good at something and every youngster needs a role model.

It`s a matter to get the best out of the people disregarding the race and color (white, yellow or indigenous)and let them enjoy the work they like best (not including bludging!)

I like Yabbys name....

Just putting a word in their for Yabbys name...not going crazy everyone...
I dont use my real name...which incidentally is Serita.

Wendy, I'm serious about kangaroos, its logical, rational environmental and economically friendly. You wish to make money from murder, then put the money back into making the murder more justifiable for your unevolved barbarity. Kill more animals to breed more followers of god, continue flooding the world with violent despots, whilst the environment collapses. It's purely about money, god and psychopathic insanity.

Abrahams followers have always been barbarians, now slaughter is more sophisticated and efficient, like gods other loving and caring example, war.

A chain of fast food outlets, more opportunity to destroy more animals for egotistical greed. You care nothing for the environment, just feed more by killing more. The planet is desperately overcrowded, our climate and biodiversity is collapsing, we are in a growing massive drought.

Gods answer, build more abattoirs, grow more animals, stuff the environment, stuff real animal welfare, feed me more gore for my insatiable appetite for death and destruction. Science and rational people sees the depth of feelings and individualities animals have, they have a right to live in peace, not transported around the country in the back of trucks squashed like sardines going to slaughter. Of course you'll have mood music in the background, nice pink walls to blend in with the blood, prayers for the souls of those murdered in gods name, to satisfy environmental insanity.

Antje, I also lived on the Monaro, near Bombala, on a simmitel cattle stud. Each year hundreds of lambs and calf's died during the winters in the area, no kangaroos though. That was my last episode in animal barbarity and when I finally left the clutches of the barbarian murderer, Yahweh.

I don't use my real name for one simple reason, as an ex priest, its well know within the christian church, I now enjoy my privacy. Plus, I'm fully aware of the lengths psychopathic followers of god go to in their efforts to instil their righteous upon those who disagree. They're prepared to kill to appease the bizarre guilt ridden hypocrisy of theirs lives. Thats reality