BOAZ quickly grabs his halo and hurrrrls it spinning at Celivia..*TAKE THAT* :)

ok.. I did involve myself in the abuse of animals thread, but that aside, I find the idea of cruelty to animals abhorrent.

I lost interest in that thread when Pericles made my head explode by claiming that domestic pets are 'enslaving' animals... or words to that effect.

Now normally Pericles has a lot of wisdom, even the critical kind, but I thought if that is the level of the thread.. it ain't for me.

I suppose we (Christians) tend to prioritize the issues that we allow our passion to be unloaded onto.

The issue of say battery hens, is a political one. Cramped pigs also.
Having owned chickens I must confess I don't have as much sympathy for them as I do for pigs. Chickens are heartless whimsical murderers of their fellows.. trust me, I've seen it.

I don't have a problem with live export as long as conditions are humane. I DO have a problem with Live export when it is specifically done at the expense of Australian abbotoirs jobs.. and have had correspondence with Wendy about this.

We do focus more on the issues we feel are critical for the general survival of the community, and on the issues of homosexual behavior, gender issues, etc.. well, like us or lump us, but puh-lease..understand us and don't portray us in propogandist ways.

Given the choice of issue into which to pour my passion, I choose the issue of freedom of speech, religious freedom from Sharia law and freedom from being bombed to oblivion by some some whackos.

Keep up the good work on reducing animal cruelty, you have my moral support.
My view is that a redeemed community will also reject extremist capitalism, hence removing the drive for ever increasing bottom lines which in turn create cruelty to animals to achieve such ends.
The Pit Ponies in Wales did not understand the humane treatment they received after the revival, they were used to abuse. Renewed people should result in less cruelty.

BOAZ, yes you are right, I went back and checked the Legal Animal Abuse thread- funny what you said about the psychotherapy ;) It is obvious, from your opinion in that thread, that you do care about animals and that you are a Christian ; )

I can’t say I blame you for escaping that debate with Pericles- I struggled with her as well on that topic.
Anyway, thank you for having your say here.

Yes, it is true that the problem of hens and pigs is a political one- no wonder that most politicians don’t seem to worry much about animals apart from their economical contribution: animals can’t vote.

But really, isn’t it also an ethical issue?
I read somewhere that RSPCA was founded by an Anglican priest and that in the past, and that more well-known Christians have been involved in animal welfare.

So, if animal welfare was on the agenda of the Church in the past, for some reason the Church must have lost interest.
I am glad, in a way, to realise this- if the Church, in the past, must have found it worthwhile to put animal welfare on their agenda, then perhaps they can somehow rekindle this interest and put it back on their agenda again.

If the Church is able to care about the ethics on other issues, then I can’t see why they wouldn’t be able to care about animal issues. Christians (and non-christians alike) are able to think outside their own needs and wants, and can genuinely care about the needs of others. To just make their circle of ethics a little bit bigger so that it can include the animal issue would be a caring and Christian thing to do especially since almost everything is connected with everything else and it’s unclear where to have the cut-off points in where there’s a limit in how far the care is ‘allowed’ to go.

Perhaps we can talk also about the funding of the church by the govt and that this may influence the church's agenda?

David

Your comment apprecited.
I may not be posting anymore.

PETA kills more dogs than they save.
Its a multi million dollar fund raiser.
They upset our farmers and public by telling people not to eat meat.

Thats not a good way to draw symphthy for animals.
The first meeting I had years ago they send a plant into my private home! to get everybodies phone numbers.

After That I was Run Off The Road and threatend. [ charming]

EXTREAM FUND RAISERS, who raise money for their own use to create well paid jobs.

Since When has Australia been all veg or vegans?

"special Ministers" Eric Abetze, Shults got upset about the Ban Live Export Rallys before the elections and threatend to take the tax deduction from the RSPCA.

Senator Andrew Bartlett refused to work with PALE ,HKM despite being our local Senator.

He Held fund raisers and meetings and is even on the web site of PETA An American group.

We Spoke for the animals and the 96 percent of Australians who eat meat.
The Government prefer to deal with the extream lot. They rightfully discreit them to the public.

Its of course all very political.

Stand up for the 96 percent of people who enjoy a steak. BUT MAKE IT Quick And Kind.

Stand up for a fair Go for Animals and jobs for Australia and especially the farmers who have been squeezed out by the corperate lot.

It only makes sense as Asia and Middle East grows they order more meat.

We need to have an arrangment with them to support Australia Farmers by share farming, slaughtering here.!

However that would effect Murdoch Packer Le courts just to mention a few who are live exporters. AND THAT would upset the political donations.

SO The cruelty continues.

I hope everybody invovled Rots in Hell.

Especially The good Church Leaders.

Steve Fielding jobs for Australia, compashion! for Animals
[ Gods creatures!]

Where are ewes ?

God Bless the Animals because nothing will save your souls Family First and Good Christians as you hide behind the Vaile.

Wendy, thank you for showing what 'really' goes on. I can so understand your frustration with all the organisations- I'm sick of them already and you've been doing this for years! Good on you, I hope you won't give up.

I don't blame you for deciding not to post here anymore- this will probably be the last one I'm writing here as well- there is not much point if there is no response from the target group except BOAZ;
thanks again BOAZ for appearing here- *passing you back your halo* and perhaps you can think about *hinting* to your church leaders that our suffering animals need them to care a little more.
It won't do them any harm to hear that some Christians are animal lovers and are concerned.

Thanks to all of you lovely people for expressing your opinions- hope to meet you in anoher discussion.

Celiva.

Look as you guys [yourself and scout] and the others went to the trouble of posting I will just have to continue. Part out of respect for you both and part out of frustration.
So if you wouldnt mind helping me find a few hundred email address of Churches we will send the forum to them. Both the Forums yours and Scouts.
Also the other one. Then I will send the results to 60 minutes mail bag. They might Like to Do A story on It , [who knows] as live Expports was close to Richards heart.
We have a wool bag full of letters from everyday people and I am sure some of those people would be church People.
From there I guess we could start another petition from the church people To The church Leaders To do their job.We will get that out to the media as well as many journos are still very interested in this issue. Especially a scoop story exposing Church Leaders so your forum girls will play a big part.

We could probably easily get thousands of signatures and present it to the Church Leaders including Steve Fielding.

We must remember however his party only holds one seat at the moment. Still if the cap fits etc.

Anyway please leave your posts open girls because the less interest the more you have proved your points.

I will get about to kicking up a bit of dust in the next few weeks to support you and Scout.

Never know a storm might blow through.
In the mean time I will put up some info for yourself scout and your readers.

perhaps next post I will tell post about sending the strippers to the AWB enquiry. That might even get Philos attention[smile]

MAN who swung a kitten by its tail and slammed it
repeatedly on to a road as his friends laughed was yesterday given a
one-year good behaviour bond.

Jamie Stephen Thorley, 23, of Doonside, could have faced a jail
sentence of up to two years for the brutal attack which killed the
three-month-old kitten on May 31 this year.

BUT INSTEAD! Parramatta Local Court Magistrate Geraldine Beattie made
He was found
guilty of aggravated animal cruelty, resisting police arrest and
malicious damage.

The RSPCA said yesterday they were concerned that the good behaviour
bond would send the wrong message to the community.

RSPCA chief inspector David O'Shannessy said the attack had been
particularly cruel.

"The sentence is disappointing from the point of view that this animal
died as a consequence of the attack," Mr O'Shannessy said.

"It would have been a fairly horrific way to die and the fact that
similar offences in similar months have met with more severe penalties
in the form of custodial sentences.

been given - our concern is a sentence such as this could be
misconstrued by members of the public.

"Animal cruelty to defenceless animals is unacceptable."

The court had heard Thorley was drunk when he picked up the kitten on
Delany St, Doonside. He stroked it at first before swinging it by its
tail over his head and repeatedly slamming it into the road.

Thorley and the friends he was with laughed as the attack unfolded.

Thorley told the court he had no recollection of the event because he
had mixed 350ml of rum with his schizophrenia medication that day.

When the attack took place Thorley was supposed to be facing Wyong
Local Court answering charges of break and enter and stealing a car.

Under NSW's tough new animal cruelty laws, an aggravated matter
carries with it a maximum two-year jail term.

In a test case of the new laws, a 45-year-old Blackett man was jailed
for a year in June after torturing and trying to drown a kitten.

WHERE THE HELL ARE EWE?