Antje, I agree with you.
And I look forward to seeing the next media release of RSPCA.

I'm going to take RObert's good advice (on animal welfare thread) to focus on agreements- we have been discussing live exports for so long and we can't seem to agree.
One agreement seems to be that there is a feral dog problem.

I am just going to leave the live export discussion by saying that I am happy to disagree.
I find it cruel no matter what other kind of cruelty goes on in Australian paddocks.
We are just going around in circles because nobody including myself has anything new to add to the discussion. Everything we are saying now we have said before either here or on the animal welfare thread.

Anyway, I'm as 'guilty' as anyone else, but this discussion should really be going on on the general animal welfare thread- that's why there are different threads on animals- this one is meant to focus on the church and religions and what they could possibly do to help the animals. The animal wefare thread is more general.

I have listed, in a previous post, three things I could think of that christian educators or leaders could do.

And perhaps, what could be done to convince church leaders, Christian schools etc that teaching or preaching on animal welfare is a worthwhile course.

I would love to see the list of churches that are willing to do something about animal cruelty.
Perhaps the leaders of these churches would be willing to contact other leaders to discuss this. They might pay more attention to leaders of a church like themselves than to an animal welfare group.

The fact that I am pro-secular state does not mean that I think that churches should turn their backs on animal cruelty. They can be involved in other ways apart from politics to do what they can for the animals.

I hope churches and schools are not going to ignore World Animal day which is coming up soon.

yabby
Who said I was speaking for RSPCA Or Hugh . I said that the long term stand on live exports is to ban Live Exports.
Perhaps you are good at mis leading the public in the pub or evenhj on this forum but You verbal Me I can assure you.
I am speaking on behalf of myself and the other 96 percent of the Australian Public Yabby who demand live exports to be banned. Really you would think Labour would wake up but anyway.
I am on this forum using my name Yabby. Dont push your luck or you might find yourself in the same posion as others.

Read the Internet. Read what RSPCA have said for years and years and years and years.

Its really very simple. The RSPCA has had a long stand against Live Exports.

The fact that I think I read somewhere that Hugh Wirth said something about refusing to even discuss the matter further with the Governmment should be enough.

I will try to find it but you could probably use your time better than trying to discredit me.

City people eat eggs Yup But they want to know the birds are not kept in intensive cagesw>
A Fact.
Pork The Same. Live Exports also. I Am Country Not That It Matters. We are All Australians

Thats right Yabby Animals Are kiled by mixed bred dogs in the bush
Instead of baiting them to a cruel death why dont we control the problem?
Huh?
Read Dickies post.

The POPE Has Spoken Out About The Cruelty Of Factory Farming

So Church Leaders Of Australia Where Are You?

Fact Is Peter Costello and others strongly represent the Christian Vaules of this Nation.


In The Contact Music Com Website Sir Paul McCartney has praised Pope Benedict XVI for reminding catholics to be compassionate towards animals.

Follwing his predecessor John Paul IIs proclamation that animals have souls, Benedict has slamed the practice of factory farming and McCartney, who was raised a catholic, is excited by the validation from such a influential source.

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/mccartney%20praises%20pope


So if all the Christian that have tried to come up with excuses as to why they should not be doing something saying its political, the Pope does not agree with you.

If you agree the Pope is the Leader we would appreciate a hand with helping the animals.

Steve Fielding and others are you listening?

Ships Of Shame Shame and Cruel! Intensive Factory Or Intensive Farming Must be banned.

A Nation can be judged on the way it treats its animals.

Live Exports is unforgivably cruel

Australia is the talk of the world being the largest Live Exporter of Animals.

Australias Greatest Shame is a total lack of Animal Welfare in this Country.

Its well past time Church Leaders Spoke up and risked loosing their Government Grants [tut tut]

If you all stand together you may even get more grants.

Hopefully you will use that to work very openly to improve animal Welfare.

To Kick things off which Churches would like to help with launching our adds to educate the public regarding live exports and Animal Welfare?

I would imagine now that you have some clear direction From The POPE Many.
We look Forward To hearing From You All.

Welcome aboard the journey to stand up for Gods Creatures.

Pig Farmer

Sorry I missed that post of yours asking how contact was made.
You emailed me. Yes I took all enquiries and passed them on.
You wrote complaining about the fact you had written to Animals Australia to request support for free range.
You attached a copy of your letter to them and their reply.
You were upset that they declined to support you.

Rightfully So.

You wanted everybody to know that unless people support Free Range it was not going to help improve conditions for animals.

Clearly to anybody reading this how could I have had a copy of a letter you! wrote unless you sent it to me first.

This was before we even heard of a forum
As I said Sorry I missed Your Questionj earlier.

Fact is we agreed with your complaint one hundred percent

Free Range Farmers must be supported by every member of the public.

The public need to be educated as to the difference between factory intensive and Free Range.

The old argument about cruelty with no answers is too old in this country. I would go as far to sday there has almost been a cover up tactics of raising funds but doing nothing with those funds.

Money wont help the animals unless its going into advertising to promote free range farmers or a darn good court case to bring the Government to the mat under the eyes of the public.

We are the people of this country and it is their job to follow our wishes.
The public have already told Howards Government what they think of live exports and free Range Farming and for many! years.

Seems To Me that unless money is spent in courts and advertising yes! pig farmer you are correct.

Things are going to change. Australia is not a extreme country of veg people.
They are basically decent people who eat meat but want it done without cruelty.

That Is acheivable if everybody pulls together. You wont achieve it with one foot in each camp.

"Follwing his predecessor John Paul IIs proclamation that animals have souls, Benedict has slamed the practice of factory farming and McCartney, who was raised a catholic, is excited by the validation from such a influential source."

Antje, that's wonderful news!
Many people were focussing on the things the Pope shouldn't have said- I'm delighted to see that he had something wonderful to say about amimals.

Hopefully, the church leaders are now very busy preparing their sermons on animal issues and look at ways for ending intensive farming. I'm being optimistic ;)

Antje :)..very well said..I completely agree that even though pple

eat meat and other live produce that DOES NOT mean that we are hypocrites as Yabbys thread maintains..
Everyone who eats meat, milk eggs etc would far prefer to know if the animals, poultry and fish was handled in the most humane way possible...I know I would and most other pple.

The average Australians are not a sadists and DO in actual fact care very much if humane methods of slaughter and farming are used to provide produce for our tables..

Your right on the money there Antje:)