Yabby

My last responce because all you want is call me a fool and now! a lier.
Animals are suffering this second.!
Its far worse than the public know.
Perhaps recent pictures being dragged off trucks and pushed with no ramps/ when they pull the cows eyes out while alive should be posted!
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They do it because they are scared of them.

How recent would you like Arsehole, two weeks ago recent enough!

According to you regional and aboriginal people, not to mention all Australians are lazy and dont want to work.

So according to you that given ,we have no choice other than send live animals on long sea voyages to overseas because nobody wants the jobs.

Thats It!

Thats your imput.! The clever Country.

Unlike your type I do wear my heart on my sleeve. I tell it like it is and I have been honest to my own detriment!

However I try to spare upsetting good people as often as I can too.

If you read the web page you will see I also work with AFIC Australian Federation Of Islamic Council In Australia.
Do you honestly think I have no contacts.?
Some of my advisers have been live animal importers themselves years before.
Look you look at the web page again you will see Intensive Farming.
We are very involved with the intensive farming problem and you were asked if you would care to help in that regard.
Again you were not interested.

All you have done since entering this forum is try to discredit the work done by myself and our RSPCA QLD staff.
noted Yabby. .
After a great deal of thought I have decided to disclose your attitude to me when you called. I told you I had just come in from court after a long day due to my Dads passing.
Your reply was> Oh! Hey! your over emoshional arnt you.

I think that tells it all about what type of person you are.
If you cant have compashion for animals you have none for people.

Your certainly proof of that.

Rofl Wendy, imagining things about what you claim I said to discredit me, is not going to matter an iota in this debate. At the end
of the day this debate will be about rational issues, should it ever enter the political arena and your arguments either stack up or they
don't, in the real world of politics.

Last time cows came up in the middle east, it turned out that they
were not even Aussie cows, but that was conveniently forgotten
at the time.

The leader of one of Queensland's largest meat processors just this
very week said he could not find staff, go call him. They have
Brazilians working there, Aussies seem to not want the jobs.

I really don't care who you know, either you have rational arguements that stack up or you don't, end of story. Thats exactly what good debate on OLO should be all about.

Celivia Scout everybody.

Australia has a shortage of trained labour. We will bring in Halal Slaughter training men to train aboriginal and regional people.
Sure we may have to employ some labour from overseas until ours are trained.
Abattoirs are not unique from the problems which have graced this country and yes it will take years to fix it.

A Free Range Farmers guide would help and we are happy to do one if you Celivia and Scout wish.

A to AVA Australian Vetinary Association signed by everybody would help.

If somebody would draft it we will provide background and codes.
You could ask the Churches to sign it.

Yes Celivia certainly there is a need for some funds for Adds to support Free Range.

We are just as committed to intensive farming as live exports.

As we have the elections next year you stand a good chance of making a real difference.

Speaking of elections of course if sombody wished to form a Farmers and Regional Party it would be most welcome.

The national Party are traitors to the farmers flooding the country with cheap imports.

We must offer Farmers a good fair price for their products.
The way to do that is for them to give the middle man the flick and deal direct with overseas purchasers of products of meats.

Fortunatly we have many enquiers from interested overseas investors that ARE prepared to look at running Free Range to creek fed wiping out intensive and feed lots, the cruelty and the diseases that come with them.
Our Governments need to adopt this as a policy.

When the biz proposal and policy proposal is complete we will post it so you can read and hopefuly support it to John Howard, Mark Vaile and Downer.
Who knows if you all write to him Family First might see the advantage.
After all 96 percent of people want an alternative to live exports found as quickly as possible so its a vote issue.
I would just like to say to Scout and celivia your forum is a creit to you both.

Thank you, Wendy, for your support. I just wrote you an email. Good suggestions, we’ll talk about that later.

PS OZGIRL, just aside, forgot to say that I just LOVE Steve’s little daughter, Bindi, she has so much personality, just like Steve had.

I saw this article http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200609/s1734856.htm (September 7th)
What do you think, will the prosecution be successful? I wonder what happened on this ship that so many sheep died. Does anyone know what the cause was? Too many sheep cramped on the ship, no ventilation? I’d be interested to know how this will end- how can it not seen as cruelty when 1000 sheep died on that boat?

Yabby
to your credit I’d have to say that I agree with this coz’ it sounds reasonable: “The thing is, in the end people should do what they have an aptitude for, anything else usually lands up in failure. Working on a meat chain takes a certain mentality, it’s not for everyone. “
Yabby, It’s a good thing that this training opportunity will be created, but I agree that you can’t make people do something if it doesn’t suit them. That is not to say that there might be a lot of people interested in this great opportunity!
I like to be free in my choices, others should have this freedom as well.

Antje, you are wonderful for making your life available to the animals.
I sent Wendy an email to work out what I could do in my available time; I still yet have to find out what my niche is; this might take a while and perhaps trial and error- things will be offered, suggestions will be made. I'd like to work that out with Wendy in private rather than on here.(No one needs to know about my incompetences, hehe.)

I need to gain more confidence, I do want things to fit in with my life and time.

Bedtime for me;) Will talk more later.

Celivia
About the cruelty case> That ship was pretty standard. The company and others have been charged many times.

Most get away because they our out of Australian waters.

It makes no difference to them. A bit of a fine and back to work the next day. If somebody has too many charges they just export in another name[no worries]
Actually a Directer of livecourpe had so many charges against him BEFORE he became a Directer of live courpe it was criminal.

Nobody cares. Interesting way the Department of complience have issued export licences again to the same person just a different company name isnt it.[ no problems]

What makes this case different is that Lyn White has gone for the Government for not doing its job. In other words they refused to act or lay charges in the first place.
The Animal Welfare Act In Australia is the ONLY act that is NOT enforced.
Its powers are clearly directed to the police and RSPCA. However the RSPCA hae a MOU with most Departments of DPI[ Department of Primary Industry.
This of course is a joke so it allows this industry to self regulated.
The RSPCA are too scared to say anything because they fear loosing their powers.

The police are so busy its not practicle pluss until recent talks they young ones were not even being taught anything about the animal welfare act.

The other problem is we need a national code of practise re animal welfare. At the moment each states has different! recomended codes of practise which is NOT enforcable and self! regulated.

One of the best things that has happend is the employment of Lyn White however no one or four people can turn it around.

It takes positive steps. Your doing a good job of exposing the church Leaders. The more the public are aware they dont care about animal welfare the better.
There was a new CEO appointed to the RSPCA national He only stayed two months.

Guess he was too good.

A ridiculous idea, more pain and suffering for animals, bringing in more morons to make money murdering animals.

What your all saying is humans are incapable of evolving beyond barbarity. If this is the case, no matter what you do, things will only deteriorate adding to the growing effect on the environment and the giving control over slaughter to imported barbaric monotheistic foreigners.

Just apologists for death and continuing destruction of life on this planet. You seem to think its only you who are doing things for animals, while you gorge on their remains, hypocrites. There's many who actually practise what they preach, rather than glean economical and egotistical gain from constant murder.

Spend a couple of days in slaughter yards and abattoirs around the country, its a disgusting job. Blood everywhere, the constant smell of death, the pain on the faces of the animals as they are forcibly lined up and see what ahead of them. No different to the christian fascist Germany, you all think your superior, above animals and care nothing for them but your barbaric gluttony.

Support from the church or politicians what a joke, they're all followers of god, so have massive interests in the growing slaughter of animals and life.

Many people on this planet go about caring for animals without fanfare, providing examples for others to follow. For us as a species, we either evolve beyond this disgusting approach to life, or suffer the fate of all species unable to evolve, extinction. This is typical bigotry, you say, its terrible what happening to poor sheep, but I'll have another lamb chop.

No credibility here, just puffing and blowing as Wendy strives to push her economic barbarity, typical monotheists no sense or feelings. Make all the excuses you want, the future will show you your veracity, catching up with you, as it always does to the followers of barbaric practise.