Thank you Scout, for your summary of the report! Sad indeed!
Perhaps it is now time to emphasise the negative contribution of Christian values to Australian society. (This would be a great topic for a new discussion, too!)Then we can send it to Howard hehehehe.

I hope he is not going to confuse Australian values and Christian values even more- that would mean that immigrants (and I suppose all Australians) would have to answer to Christian values dressed-up as Australian values. Grrrrr!

It’s ironic that Christianity is so-called so evolved, but in fact is quite primitive.
To see the earth as a whole, to see yourself as part of a whole, as the aboriginals do, for instance, is a far more evolved idea than having this unnatural division between the human soul and anything else.

And then add to it all those contradictions Scout points out (I’m sure there’ll be many more) Christianity sounds illogic, unreasonable, selfish and short-sighted to me.

John 13 THIS WAS WRITTEB BY GRAHAM Y {ON ANOTHER POST!

12When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them. 13"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. 15I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16

He also said:
11"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep

Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 8:22:46 AM

Celiva I found this posted by David Bozo on another post.
I thought you might like to put it up the top of your Forum.

Maybe later we could open another forum. Main Stream groups verses extreme Animals Rights Groups
I would be good to get a few of these people on record for the public.

This forum was to show up the christians and Church Leaders. I think Celivia and Scout have done that. Who knows from here where it will go. Perhaps a public debate with insight or similar. Maybe some good old fashioned public speaking outside the Churches ,in streets like the lord did.

So as much as you dont agree with the RSPCA main stream approach to eating meat perhaps you could adopt yourself to speaking to Church groups. By the way do you go to the same Church as David.?

No dont answer that I just remembered you dont belive in god either.

As I said your one of those who lives on a higher moral groud to the rest of us. Go now and pass the plate to keep extreme groups in paid jobs and world travel.

Its like a cult and your certainly been brain washed.

Yes celivia , Scout Ozgirl Michael Antje Ben and the many others you are proving your point!

Ozgirl, lovely name. You should use it.

Celiva Scout Ozgirl Ben Antje Mike Rex Pig Farmer free Ranger and the may others. Yes You too Yappy.

We as Celivia and Scout have suggested> Break up the forum into several issues
I will prepare a petition for Family First and All Churches.

We will on another post challange this extreme group who have appointed themselves as the so called Federation umbrella for Animal Welfare groups in Australia.

We will INSIST that the Federal Government appoint a more balanced list of Animal Welfare advisers to sit on the boards.

We have two people very qualified Free Ranger and Pig Farmer and there are plenty more out there. Of course pig farmer and Free Ranger would have to be interested and we can discuss that by email.

At the monent it is made up of people with HUGE conflicts of interest OR self appointed Extreme people who again do nothing for Animal Welfare by driving and pushing vegetarians groups.

Vegatarians are good people living on an unreasonable expectation of others.
They try to inflict their wonderful vaules onto others.
Dont get me wrong> I wish everybody was veg or vegan, but they are not.
Making money out of memberships of these people wont help the animals. It will only keep certain people in Cushy jobs.

It is very important to acknowledge the Churches that DO involve themselves in Animal Welfare.
Celivia in the next week I will list and post the names of these good Churches and their leaders who have recently turned around and said YES we should stand up for animals.

On the Gold Coast Last Year we had two more Churches doing the blessing of the animals.

One of these was a Church leader From The Catholic Church.

We are of course very busy and in need of help.

So if any of you would like to join pale for one dollar OR start your own branch of pale we would welcome the help for the animals

Wendy, the press, including the rural press, is full of stories
of labour shortages in northern Queensland, on farms, stations,
the meat industry etc. Fact is that many workers have moved into
the booming mining industry, for huge bucks, much as in WA.
Rural industries simply cannot compete.

Why would farmers want farm partnerships with anyone? They have
a hard enough time with family partnerships, marriages, siblings
etc. Look around you, even brothers can't agree how to run
a farm alot of the time, let alone overseas partners.

Aboriginal people already own lots of stations and farms in
WA. The problem always seems to come back to the lack of aptitude
for management. Infrastructure like bores need fixing. The
RSPCA moved in on some of those stations, thousands of cattle
were dying of thirst. Once again the point is, find people occupations
for which they have a natural aptitude, rather then
your social engineering a la Wendy.

Your social engineering continues with your small regional
abattoirs, which in a market economy,
is bound to fail, no matter who owns them. Like it or not, our
economy is about efficiency and comparative advantage, which
happens with large, highly mechanised works, leading to low
per unit labour costs. You might feel all fuzzy inside about what
you plan to do, at the end of the day, its a competive world
and if your operation does not stack up, it will go broke.

If roos are not killed by professional shooters, who are extremely
accurate shots, your Queensland regulations are overdue for an
overhaul to bring them up to standard, as in WA.

There certainly is a reason to cull. Dying of hunger is not a pretty
picture. It just doesent appear on tv often enough, so you city
slickers can't reach for the tissue box and relate to it so well.

Church leaders should preach to the flock and no more. If you are
happy to see them involved in the politics of animal welfare,
don't complain if they become involved involved in the politics
of Wendy's uterus.

Wendy I would like to join PALE...if there is no info already on this forum...can you supply it..ta...Serita

Serita

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Rural press %99 media either have shares, a direct conflict

WA couldnt get the story about the other CORMO express


Many driven from the grazing lands that they ran their cattle through for three generations.

So the illegal kills of roos and other cruel games people can catch wild animals and export alive.

Thats why our bush fires are so bad and the creeks filling up with weeds. No stock grazing to clear them anymore.

Aboriginal people have land. However no funds to do their OWN progects. .

You have such a low regards for Australians Yabby.

You dont appreciate aboriginal people but plenty do. When they own! part of the biz.

Farming animals , building plants is just small part.

Roos in QLD and Roos anywhere are better off being shot by profeshional shooters.

Yabby you really should read the web sites.

QLD Just updated the Roo Codes on a federal level. .

It was in the newspapers. The work was carried out by this. Antje Struthmann pluss myself.

Handed to Mark CEO RSPCA who we co run this office with. Put through with RSPCA accreditation.

EVEN if we were not using GATS we could easily slaughter here send and whole caruss.

Plenty of overseas people are interested.

Do you really think we are going to keep funding the Rich oil middle east building yards and whatever else they want. ho ho ho.

They are smarter than you.

You speak of the cruel muslims knowing that they have never had any training and most have less understanding of a beasts thinking.

Regarding your last crude comment, which certainly, isnt the first, I am ,REAL pleased you came on Forum

Thank You Yabby you have demonstated to the public what low types support these cruel industries.

I really could not have done it as well without You.

Oh Just one thing however>

Dont Ever! Speak to me like that Steve again.