My wife has a pair of ugg boots, and each time I walk by them, I cant help but thinking that the sheep was quite happy doing what it was doing, until a bolt gun smashed a hole through its head. I think that's what bothers me about the whole wearing of them.

A friend of mine invited me to take a look where he worked, and as i was viewing the stock in the yard, and they seemed happy at the time, but when the machines started up, you could see the change of fear in all of them. Inside the slaughterhouse, I saw workers kick and sometimes punching the animals if they didn't corporate.

So in seeing the reality to where it comes down to the final product,
No thanks. Id rather have cold feet.

Again! To see something with your own see,s, soon changes your perspectives on the matter.

Its like a lot of fast food out-lets!

If you saw how it was made, you wouldn't eat it.
A lot of ignorances comes from the fact, if you don't see it, then its alright.

I think more people should get out in the world!

But that's just my opinion.

EV

Hi all

EVO, how right you are. Linda McCartney said once that if slaughterhouses had glass walls, the whole world would be vegetarian. I have been told often that animals do have an awareness and real terror in slaughterhouses.

I see small lambs around at the moment, and when I translate that to the packaged "lamb necks" I see in supermarkets, the owners of those necks must have been very small indeed. I wonder if slaughterhouse workers just get completely desensitized about what they do (brutalized?)

And Yabby, I simply prefer not to wear/sit on/eat dead animals. Not a difficult concept and I manage to get through life quite comfortably.

I said I would find a Chinese fur petition:-

http://animalsaviors.org/petition.html

This one is a bit "dog and cat specific", so I'll try to find one that covers all animals. They suffer no less than dogs and cats.

Cheers
Nicky

*I cant help but thinking that the sheep was quite happy doing what it was doing*

It probably was, but alas reality prevails, there is only food for
so many. Too many and they starve to death, as in nature. Your
skin problably looks ok on you, but if a proverbial bus hits you,
the worms will recycle you, no different to a sheep.

Frankly I don't think a sheep really cares that much, as to how it
gets recycled. I guess we could simply let ants and worms eat dead
animals, clearly their populations would bloom! Nature prevails.

*No thanks. Id rather have cold feet.*

That is fine by me lol. Have all the cold feet that you want :)

*If you saw how it was made, you wouldn't eat it.*

Rubbish, you have simply been degenerated by city living and have
lost touch with nature. Moving to the country made me learn about
the realities of life, including birth and death, the cycle of
nature. Years ago, when people lived in villages, most butchered their
own meat. In the country, that is still the case. That includes
me.

*And Yabby, I simply prefer not to wear/sit on/eat dead animals.*

Yup, that is the extremist vegan position, ie the evils of leather.
That's why I call you an extremist.

Ugg boots are very popular where I live. It may have something to do with the fact that it gets very cold here in winter, and also that we have a ready supply of sheepskins from the local abattoir. I've always believed that if you're going to kill an animal, you should use every bit of it - and with sheep their skins are particularly useful with the fleece still on.

The only reason I don't wear ugg boots is that they're so bogan :)

However, I have an Akubra hat that was made from rabbit fur, not to mention numerous pairs of boots and shoes that were made from cow leather. And I have a brilliant waistcoat (made in NZ) that is tweed lined with sheepskin.

I agree that there should never be cruelty involved, but I think that it's excessive to demand that people don't use any kind of animal skin or fur. This is particularly the case in animals that have already been slaughtered for other reasons - e.g. for meat, as vermin or in culls.

Guys, I haven't demanded any such thing. I have simply stated my own preference. Yabby, on the other hand, seems to have no problem with pretty much any degree of cruelty (so long as there is a quid in it), trying to tell us that it is "nature". He doesn't seem to find anything remarkable in the content of this discussion, but simply wants to use the "extremist" argument as his usual matter of course.

It is not "nature" to keep lions and tigers in zoos and bait them with live animals, however, that is sick perversion. So is keeping bears in cages with metal catheters their gall bladdders for decades. And choppng off their paws, but keeping them alive, because someone fancies soup made from them. Or beating or blowtorching animals to death, or skinning them alive.

The Chinese are especially good at it.

Nicky.

*Yabby, on the other hand, seems to have no problem with pretty much any degree of cruelty (so long as there is a quid in it),*

Ah Nicky, your constant attempt at strawman arguments, simply won't
work! But you keep trying.

I am simply not a woos or a sissy as you seem to have been, during
your childhood. Nowhere have I stated that live lambs should be
fed to baby lions either. I even wrote to the Chinese Embassy some
years ago about bear bile farming, but that is not the point at issue
here.

What I am saying is that you are extremist for knocking people
who wear ugg boots. The whole point about the ugg boots was to
draw out of you how far you had gone down the path of veganism
and now of course we all know! You might not be a card carrying
member of Peta, but you certainly preach their philosophy.