Pls note

We are not diverting this thread.

"Now we are talking about something else yet again."


I forgot you two wouldnt follow what I said about MLA- forget it.

Belly keep your shirt on ,your either interested in Animal Welfare or your not. Now before you answer that remember Australia sends dogs alive to that are more than likely skinned alive and dropped into a boiling point alive.

Pls scroll to the bottom
http://www.aact.org.au/greyhounds.htm

If you care enough to be a man and stand up against our Government to STOP this I am sure NicknDick would love to talk to you.

The question is what are you personally going to do about this.

If it were not for people such as Nicky and Dickie and pale posting on public forums then people wouldnt even know about these things.

Well we might disagree on methods to fix Animal welfare but on protesting against it we are united.

If you look at that dog in the pot and consider its evil then dont just remain silent spread the word amoung your contacts and stand up and be counted.
Yabby we may not be able to change China overnight but 'we can stop our animals going alive to China and other counties'.

Australia is the largest live animal exporter in the world.

We ship off live wild goats dears dogs cattle sheep etc... The list goes on.

We know the way third world countries live yet we still send them there.
Every farmer has a right to a fair price- true.

They also have a duty of care to their animals.

Stand up to Rudd and demand the red tape is cut to allow plants to reopen + import workers to run them.

You can judge a nation by the way it treats its Animals.
( Well in that case we are not looking too good as the eyes of the world look at Australia.}

Nicky the elephant has spoken.
Dickie no not at all a lie teller
You live in a different world than me.
For far more than most of us live export is not a crime.
Again most want as little cruelty as possible.
The idea farmers who export are bad farmers is a joke.
Unions, gee how can I say it like it truely is?
A difference exists between unions.
Oh plenty want to hide that fact, some from within the movement.
But every thing from thugs and mugs to very left vs right unions exist.
The union against live exports is acting in self interest.
It wants more jobs here, no matter that some exports are sold in that market or no place.
Not all unions are against live exports.
Even from within the union movement I am free to say I understand and suport live exports.
Finaly yabby has set out the truth about China, yes we have concerns yes those commplaining are right but the path yabby has set out is how improvement will come.
I am ducking the subject of animal welfare, hopefully for good, just no chance my views can be seen as my right in such threads in OLO.
Dickie I am sure you are a nice person but your written words often hide it
regards

I assume would be the meat workers AMIEU.

Since when was standing up for your mens right to work the wrong thing to do.

Protesting as these peoples jobs were taken off them and their houses.

*Yabby will now rush in and argue that we dont have any staff and nobdy wants to work in an abattoir anyway.*

Of course not after twenty years of Governments plotting with USA live shipping industry.

The power of the political donation is such.

Why else do you think Rudd headed for the hills as shadow Minister when asked to disclose AWB were not just exporting wheat but live exports.

*Why else was the they told to back off live exports*.!!

Rudd was desperate to get something on the Howard Vaile Downer as shadow Minister but "couldnt risk his party being excluded from the donations from the blood money of the evil trade."

I pray he ends up on one of those ships .

Lets look at the history of these union blokes over the last twenty years shall we.
Mind you they helped create it in the first place by scheming with Bush USA. ( Not they they probably knew it allowing themselves to be used by pawns then dumped with help from their hero Packer and others.

Some were not the brightest but some were right on the ball like Tom Hannon and many others.

We still support union blokes ,non union blokes, any folks, from all walks of life that have some common deceny towards animals

http://www.amieu.asn.au/search.php?q=export

"I see you have no comment for the dogs either."

Kind of makes your comments to David Boaz for kicking the dog look a bit sick.

*Nicky have you seen that thread? I was somewhat rather looking forward to you comment.*

Belly pls do not leave this thread for our sake.

We will go now to our farm and leave you talk with the lovely ladies:)
I am sure they would like few words with you.

I think you might find they make the elephant look like
a pussy cat.

Ah Dickie, but just how gullible and ignorant you are, shows up
once again, to us more informed posters.

So some animal liberation group shows a picture of a dead lamb and
an outrageously overmulesed lamb and claims this to be mulesing.

Have you ever been on a farm to see mulesing in action Dickie dear?

In all the years we mulesed merino lambs here, I can only think
of one single lamb that died. Its highly likely that mulesing was
not even the cause, but something else. But your true believer
website shows a picture of a dead lamb, to form that association
in your mind and of course take your money, if they rattle the
tin hard enough and push your emotional buttons as much as possible.

In reality, mulesing on the thousands upon thousands of lambs that
I have seen mulesed in this area, takes about a third of the
skin off, which your true believer website wants to imply. Merinos
have very loose and very thin skin and much to much of it, so the
idea is to tighten it up on each side of the tail.

But of course it would not be good propaganda to show how most
mulesing is performed, so we show one totally outrageous animal
and claim that this is normal. Sucker you are Dickie!

Belly, for the record, the unions represented at live export protests that I have attended included the AMIEU, the CFMEU and the Maritime Union, and a statement from the ACTU records the union position on live exports. Strange bedfellows? Maybe, but certainly a commonality of purpose.

At last count, the petition before the senate now has about 220,000 signatures on it, so we are hardly an "extreme minority".

The transporters involved in the loading were individual contractors, not providing union labour, and the number of wharfies involved in these loading is minimal. Of course, the crews of the ships are not Australian either.

AMIEU statisticians put the DIRECT job losses attributable to the live export trade at 40,000.

Having said that, I can't really figure out the US involvement, and my understanding was that the AWB involvement was fairly minimal. There was also a timing issue about those claims.

PALE, I'm not sure which thread you are expecting me to comment on. If it's the AACT one, I already knew about it. Greyhound Action is a good source of information on that. Australia sends greyhounds to (at least) Macau and Korea (where beating and blow-torching dogs to death is routine, as it is in China. No LG, Samsung, Daewoo, Kia or Hyundai for me - in fact, I even refuse rental cars of those brands when I am offered them).

Yabby as usual dodges the issues at hand and his comments are not worth discussing (much as I appreciated the endearments) (:

I have fallen into the trap of digressing now; however, Yabby, you could however note Dickie's post about the number of websites and petitions devoted to animal abuse in China. It would appear to be a matter of interest to more than a "couple of Australian housewives" (I do wish you could get a bit more creative with your insults)

Maybe you could also bring yourself to concede that it IS egregious animal abuse too.

Nicky

"The union against live exports is acting in self interest.
It wants more jobs here,"

How very odd Belly. I understood that was the reason why unions were established, to protect the workers and ensure job security.

So what are your motives for being a Trade Union representative?

I shudder to think!