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Enoch Powell.. Much more to be said

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Hi Spikey.. well I don't answer many questions.. because many stem from adhominem motives.

I'm not spending as much time here these days.

BUGSY... within the nation of Australia.. we have many tribes.
This is particularly so of those migrant groups who came here from..and to.. their own tribe... particularly where cousin marriage is a custom.

The good thing about Australia though..is that we English/Scotts/Irish/Welsh have rather forgotten our 'racial' roots and don't find it hard to describe ourselves as 'Australians' with that not meaning 'our' particular tribe.

RACE RIOTS ? All gone?

Not a chance.

British police now are 'cowed' and use video rather than force.(emboldening the migrants)

Here is a classic example of why 'multi' culturalism has not, does not and will not work.. ever.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6550725.stm
Italian riot police have broken up a violent protest in Milan's Chinatown by scores of Chinese immigrants.

About 10 police officers were injured and a similar number of Chinese people received hospital treatment.

The trouble began when a Chinese woman was fined for illegally transporting goods in a private vehicle.

More than 100 Chinese shopkeepers and members of their families, many waving the national flag, massed in the street claiming racial discrimination.

COMMENT:
Notice the dynamic?
1/ Ethnic Chinese Woman does illegal act.
2/ Police (host) take action against her.
3/ Suddenly the reason is not about law..but about race.

Exactly as began the Brixton riots.
Exactly as began the Southall riots.
etttttcetera.
Posted by Polycarp, Saturday, 16 August 2008 11:38:28 AM
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CHINESE ANTI ITALIAN RACE RIOT IN MILAN....

deserves much closer scrutiny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hks5n0ZfaIo&feature=related

Waving the chinese flag... fighting with police upholding the law...
Not.. a good look. Claiming racism.. what a joke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfm51eWW8lE&feature=related

In that link.. the chinese are arguing among themselves about whether to have the Italian flag over the chinese in their protest....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcZ31BBT0nA&feature=related

In this one.. there is no ambiguity.. it is outright SEDITION and should be treated as such with the full force of the LAW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xnJNeWkV14&feature=related

More Chinese racist sedition...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QdYSyfBukM&feature=related

More chinese racist sedition... is there no end?

Enoch....was right.. not just about UK.
Posted by Polycarp, Saturday, 16 August 2008 12:04:39 PM
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Pollybabble<<...well I don't answer many questions.. because many stem from adhominem motives.>>

Let's see what's ad hominem in these questions that I put to you:

1. What parts of Britain are segregated?

2. When was the last race riot in Britain?

I think you just squibbed it and then invented the ad hominem excuse.

You do sneak in a reference to a riot in Italy in 2007 with these editorial comments: <<Exactly as began the Brixton riots. Exactly as began the Southall riots.>>

The Brixton riots occurred in 1981 (the same year as the Springbok tour riots in New Zealand). The Southall riots occurred in 1979 (the same year as the San Franciso gay rights riots). Both more than a quarter of a century ago. Not exactly Enoch Powell's "rivers of blood" eh?

Riots occur for all sorts of reasons as you can see from my parentheses above. You don't refer to other British riots such as the Poll Tax riots of 1990 or more recently the big football riots where English fans rampaged in Belgium and in Denmark in 2000.

In very recent times, in various locations there have been riot over food prices, petrol rationing, police shootings, inflation and fishing riots among other things.

So I think you put too much store in the incidence of race riots, espcially in Britain where peace keeps breaking out all over the place.
Posted by Spikey, Saturday, 16 August 2008 2:51:05 PM
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Spikey:
Wakey, wakey, wakey,...extractus hand from snakey!

There are reports of "racially motivated violence" nearly every day in the UK newspapers!

A few days ago there was the report on the ABC News website here of a "racially motivated" murder committed in the UK by two "aliens",...but then I suppose according to your mode of reasoning, that was NOT an example of the sort of problems that Enoch Powell would have been speculating
about,...(way back then!)

Some people see the cup as half full, some see the cup as half empty!...in your case you cannot even see the cup!

Get off Polycarps back and get a life!
Posted by Cuphandle, Sunday, 17 August 2008 9:10:49 AM
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Cuphandle, rushing to a beseiged Pollybabble's aid: <<There are reports of "racially motivated violence" nearly every day in the UK newspapers!>>

Polly was chattering on about race riots (he called them RACE RIOTS) and it was he who introduced this thread by alleging the Enoch Powell's prediction of "rivers of blood" flowing in British cities was coming true.

At any rate, the best you can do to help him out is: <<A few days ago there was the report on the ABC News website here of a "racially motivated" murder committed in the UK by two "aliens",...>>

So you got one thing right, the murder: <<...was NOT an example of the sort of problems that Enoch Powell would have been speculating about,...(way back then!)>>

I was in England in Feb-March and I don't recall any racial violence.

<<Some people see the cup as half full, some see the cup as half empty!...in your case you cannot even see the cup!>> But the cuphandle seems to have come adrift from the cup.
Posted by Spikey, Sunday, 17 August 2008 3:52:23 PM
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Dear Polycarp,

In my previous post I wrote:

"Not all people accept the prejudices of
their communities."

You replied:

"One would need to place some boundaries
around 'not all,' and give it a percentage
for that to be more useful."

We are currently waiting for a world wide-
survey on the issue in question to determine
the percentage results. When the data is
available it shall be published on the
World-Wide-Web. If you're interested - keep
checking for results.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 17 August 2008 6:42:23 PM
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