Cuphandle,

"So you lot really believe that Enoch Powell was wrong, do you?" Yes, history has shown that.

"You would also have us believe that Britain is now a wonderful place?" Yes, it's a wonderful place which thousands of Australians enjoy every year.

Pericles is right. You are asserting a worst case scenario based on particular cases. Pericles easily matched your cases with cases from his own first-hand experience. I can do exactly the same with my daughter who has lived and worked in the UK since the mid-80s and her family has never had a negative experience of the sort you depict as typical. Nor have my scores of British friends.

I have visited the UK about 12-15 times including one residential period of 15 months during Mother Thatcher's time. I felt entirely safe at all times. I saw no more evidence of civil dislocation than in the cities of Australia. No rivers of blood flowed anywhere I travelled - and I have clocked up the miles over many years..

Your claim that: "In most parts of Britain today, the white Anglo Saxons are a very insignificant minority group, battling to keep what is left of their country as it is gradually swallowed up by Aliens!" is simply preposterous. Cloud cuckoo land maybe, but not Britain!

You say: "I am sorry to argue with you all, but Powell was right, in principle." What's the principle? I'm happy to argue with you, but you've got to stop living in a parallel world and look at the facts.

Cuphandle, Spikey, Polycarp.
"So you lot really believe that Enoch Powell was wrong, do you?
You would also have us believe that Britain is now a wonderful place?"

"...believe..."?? There in lies the flaw to your reasoning. One believes in The tooth fairy, or God. Neither requires facts or scientific proof in fact either would get in the way.

I don't believe Powell's ideas were/are wrong the SCIENTIFIC facts prove it.

One asks where is your *SCIENTIFIC* evidence that his views are/were right? Remember to qualify for scientific evidence it must be OBJECTIVELY reasoned and ideally been reviewed by scientists trained in the area. Both Foxy and I have supplied Scientific corroborated proofs.

Cuphandle, the absence of accuracy of Powell’s views doesn’t prove nor does anyone imply that Britain is a wonderful place!
Realistically the idea that anywhere is wonderful in the context you imply is nonsense a contradiction in terms.

Both our views have been clearly put and understood

Bye

examinator, <<I don't believe Powell's ideas were/are wrong the SCIENTIFIC facts prove it. >>

Let's see. Here are four of Powell's ideas: Which 'scientific facts' (or any other sorts of facts) prove Powell was right on any of them?

1. India could not become a democracy. It could be kept and would remain within the British Empire (1946).

2. If Britain continued to accept immgrants from the old British Empire, there would be 'rivers of blood' flowing in the streets of Britain (1968).

3. Voluntary repatriation was the only practical solution that would prevent the rivers of blood (1968).

4. "In this country in 15 or 20 years time, the black man will have the whip hand over the white man" (a direct quote from Powell's 1968 speech).

Exam question 1: Which particular SCIENTIFIC facts can you refer to that show that Powell was right on any of his claims?

Exam question 2: Which of these ideas of Enoch Powell's has turned out to be right?

HINT: Focus on the historical facts which are not too hard to track down.

Good luck, your time starts now

Dear Team

Spikey gets the prize for.. (not sure how to term this :) "woffle"?
He expresses anti Australian racism.. and anti Anglo racism.. and then.. when he is exposed.. he claims it is a hysterical reaction to being branded racist :)

Well thanks dear spikey..now we know that the only racists at the ones YOU declare and any that 'we' declare are the victims of hysterical rabble rousing and overreaction.

The one major point which Powell (who by the way.. was right) made was

-Mass/uncontrolled immigration will lead to 1/ Segregation (it did) and 2/ Race riots (it did) contrary to the rather silly statement of one poster saying "History showed him to be wrong" when in fact the opposite is true.. amazing.. 1+1 does in fact=3 afterall..I thought only Michael Moore was inflicted with that disability.

Dear Foxy.. you are quite right to make some analysis of prejudice...
the only thing I would add to it.. is it's universality.. ie.. it exists on all sides of the racial/cultural divide. The danger when reading (or writing) a post such as yours is that we might think in error..that it only applies to the white man when in fact it applies to all..including the migrant.

Please understand.. all.. that it was not 'immigration' that Powell was opposed to.. it was UNCONTROLLED immigration.

Now.. can any person here actually say with honesty and a straight face..and a clear conscience..that they favor and applaud UNcontrolled immigration from anywhere....anytime.. for all time?

Which of course leads to the question "What" is 'controlled' and how much control should we exercise? Well..that point/line is the one we will most likely all have a different view on...right?

Actually Boazy, I think what at least you need to define is 'what is a race' and try distinguishing that from a nationality.

Quite so, Bugsy. But we've been here before - ad nauseam - with Boazycrap's prior incarnation. It seems to me that the "Polycarp" sock puppet is an instrument by which Boazy can pursue his baser imperatives, apparently in the absence of God.

Has anybody else noticed that "Polycarp" is identical to "BOAZ_David" in virtually every respect, *except* for the inevitable sanctimonious references to Jesus and the Christian Bible?

I recall that Boazy claimed he was being unfairly censored just before he morphed into Polycrap. At the time I inferred that it was by OLO, but I now think that he's been muzzled by his Brethren - after all, he's been a pretty appalling advertisement for Christianity via his posts to OLO over the years.

So now we appear to have a "born again" Boazycrap, who apparently regards himself as free to reiterate all the same old hateful and paranoid ideas that he did under his former persona - only without the constraints of Christianity.

Oh joy.