Spikey.. 'segregated' .. it seems we need to define this much more tightly.

Perhaps 'ghetto' would be a more appropriate term? or.. "high concentrations of non caucasian migrants"?

I'll go with the last one at least.

Now.. there is nothing wrong with non caucasian migrants.. but there is PLENTY wrong with 'high concentrations' of them. The 'wrong' bit is an increased self perception of 'us' and 'them'... which, predictably and historically resulted in the very thing Powell predicted.

It is plain nonsense to say he was incorrect simply because the streets did not become rivers of 'blood'... that they became 'blazing infernos' means nothing? of course it does.

So I have to reject you're and Pericles 'Alice in Wonderland' denials as some kind of surreal mind game you are playing with yourselves.

You appear to have missed a most central point in my previous response.

1/ Given that most of the previous real riots occurred as a response to perceived harsh policing by 'white' police...
2/ The 'new' policing approach which is to hold back and just take video....
All that is happening in the 'lull period' is that the trigger is absent, but during this time, the ethnic and possibly the white groups are becoming further polarized..

The Westminster Muslim protest is staggering .. calling for death to the Pontif.. abusing Christians/Catholics and.. all the Police did was...
a) Take video
b) Claim "no substantive offenses were committed"

So.. you don't even need to have prophetic/predictive tendencies to know where that line is going.....in time.

Pericles,Spikey:
Let us put this whole discussion into it`s true perspective!
I believe Polycarp was simply trying to tell you, (in a nice sort of roundabout way), that the warnings offered by Powell at that time in history, could now be applied to Australia`s situation today, as we see more and more ethnicisation and we become more and more the "melting pot" of the South Pacific region!

If you choose to argue against it, then so be it, but I am sure that you could both put your combined literal genius to a more pressing cause!....."Oh look!....Is that a tree I see over there?"

Your fear and loathing are showing again, Boaz.

>>there is nothing wrong with non caucasian migrants.. but there is PLENTY wrong with 'high concentrations' of them. The 'wrong' bit is an increased self perception of 'us' and 'them'<<

The irony here is, of course, that you are one of those people who is intent upon increasing that perception of difference.

But you have, I'm glad to see, withdrawn from your earlier position:

>>I'll address those questions now... Which part of Britain are Segregated? Birmingham, Bradford,Brixton, South London and numerous other areas such as Sloughe<<

We now know that what you really meant was that there are areas in these cities that contain “large concentrations” of immigrants.

Which is true.

But as ever, your immediate assumption is that this is a problem of greater magnitude than any of the others that naturally occur in large cities. Slums and poor people have been a feature of English cities for centuries.

As have immigrants. As have “large concentrations” of them

Here's a description of London in the middle of the nineteenth century.

“Lascar and Chinese communities sprang up among the docks, while the Irish population grew to number hundreds of thousands. In 1841 less than two thirds of the capital's inhabitants had been born there. Jews, Blacks, Chinese, Indians, Poles, Frenchmen and Italians were common figures on the streets of London.”

http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/oldbailey/history/london-life/london-life19th.html

Or if you want to go into more detail:

http://www.hrionline.ac.uk/oldbailey/history/communities/index.html

If you were honest with yourself, Boaz, you would be forced to recognize that your Powellism is nothing more nor less than yet another manifestation of your fear of Islam.

Whichever way you look at it, Powell was just one of a long line of rabble-rousers, who fuelled the fears of ordinary people of “otherness”. History, however, tells us that more often than not, people in big cities tend to rub along, with only the occasional spat.

To use these rare occasions as evidence of Enoch Powell's foresight is to infer pneumonia from a summer cold

Thanx for the support Cuphandle. These bright sparks become incredibly pedantic in direct proportion to the weakness of their position. They feel that to attack the applicability of a word...and point out that it was only 80% right means the whole argument falls to bits.. well it doesn't eh :)

Pericles knows jolly well that there have been HUGE race riots in the UK.. and only seeks to minimize them and lay blame for them on those actually pointing them out.. rather than the nature of ghetto's themselves. He finds only a sniffle where there is terminal pneumonia.. to borrow something of his metaphore.

Furhter.. he clouds things unfairly by comparaing Powell with Mosely as just "another rabble rouser".. but the important thing in all this.. is.. to L E A R N from them.. aaaah..that's the secret.. and to learn even from dear aunty Pauline H..

The biggest lesson I learned from Pauline.. is.. well there's 2 actually.
1/ Learn to speak articulately.
2/ Attack the opposition first.. with the same weapons they will be using on you. i.e.. don't get publicity from your own rallies..get it from ATTACKING the other mobs :) by yelling 'RACISSSSST' etc

From Powell..I learn 'having a sound argument and trusting in history'
From Mosely I learn "Don't wear Jackboots or have symbols looking like those of the 3rd Reich" :) but from some of his speeches..I find many lessons on 'delivery'...good grief.. we can even learn that from Adolph.. his delivery was first rate...in fact it was the key to his success.

But the most important lesson probably...is don't become the focus yourself.. aaah..leave personalities out of it. IDEA's..and the creative means of imparting them,-strategically.. to create an atmosphere... that's smart thinking.... I think :)

You are wandering off again, Boaz. Getting vague.

According to you, I...

>>...point out that it was only 80% right means the whole argument falls to bits.. well it doesn't eh<<

80% right, Boaz? Where did you pluck that figure from?

On second thoughts I don't want to know.

>>Pericles knows jolly well that there have been HUGE race riots in the UK.. and only seeks to minimize them<<

Tell me about these (sorry, I won't stoop to capital letters) huge race riots, Boaz, that you seem to know about and the rest of us don't.

>>he clouds things unfairly by comparaing Powell with Mosely as just "another rabble rouser"<<

Unfairly, Boaz? In what way is the comparison unfair?

Your reference to Pauline is obviously sarcastic. You don't do good sarcasm, by the way, it's just a little forced.

But learning "sound argument" from Powell is an interesting concept.

I can actually believe that, but only in the sense that Powell understood that using sound in order to create words, which in turn can inflame an audience to dig deep into their inner prejudices, is a good idea.

>>From Mosely I learn...<<

You have learned nothing from Mosley, Boaz. Mosley was an intellectual, even more so than Powell. I still encourage you, even after all these years, to pick up his autobiography and find out more about the way he thinks.

>>...don't become the focus yourself.. aaah..leave personalities out of it.<<

I look forward to the day you begin to follow your own advice.

Polly

I heard there is a ghetto in London - near Shepherd's Bush and Kensington. Expatriate Australians.

What's that you say? That doesn't count as a ghetto? Not non-Caucasion? Oh I get it.

So we can't count Elizabeth in Adelaide where all those ex-Poms gather in high concentrations?

<<Now.. there is nothing wrong with non caucasian migrants..>> Yes, I'm waiting for you to say, "Some of my best friends are non-Caucasian, but...".

<<It is plain nonsense to say he was incorrect simply because the streets did not become rivers of 'blood'... that they became 'blazing infernos' means nothing?>>

So, "a most central point" in your previous response was that it wasn't the large concentrations of (I won't mention the n-c word in case it causes heartache to you and Robin Cupcake), but rather the harsh policing that caused all the rivers to run or the flames to flicker.

And now the new methods of the police have caused a "lull period". But according to Prophet Powell sanity will be restored in time and the blood will flow again in the streets, the great Fire of London will have a Second Coming and faith in the Prophet will be restored. Hallelujah brothers!

Deputy Cupcake,

What if we brought home all those hordes of Australians from the ghettos of England? Wouldn't that counteract the "ethnicisation" and prevent Australia becoming the "melting pot" of the South Pacific region?