Well haaah thay-re Spaaarky...

I must say that even though your priceless posts are critical..they are entertaining to read.. I must lift my own game here :)

Au Contraire regarding the Aussie or Pommy Ghetto's in London and Elizabeth.. I guarantee.. human nature does not change with race or national origin.

If the Aussies in the UK were lacking in employment opportunities and subject to a sense of alientation due to their very different cultural background (which of course they don't really have in the UK).. and they were resorting to high petty crime rates, and the police came down hard on them.. of COURSE they would be saying "aaah the blardy Poms..they are picking on us because we're from Orrstraya!" etc.

Now.. the 'lull' of which I spoke would be a good time for the UK to actually get it 'right' and work on some policies which will see it through to a point where they can improve integration and head off the next wave of racial tension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya9xypqB5eo

If you have a close look at this vid.. and note the 'bewilderment' of the very VERY placid and peaceful British Catholics.. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that there will be an element among them.. and the broader white community, who will take this kind of thing rather seriously..and it will only need a trigger event to set off a rather bloody and violent comeback.

Times have changed..but people have not. There was a time when Tasmanian Catholics took to protestants with mattock handles, bats and any weapon they could find.. simply because they held meetings with an apostate Catholic in a public building.. which Catholic tax payers had partly funded.

Can you imagine the reaction of Arabs if disgruntled Christians in Riyadh gathered at the central mosque held up signs "God curse Mohammad" and ranted "SOme day, you will take over Mecca"....I mean.. can you ? :)

Dear Spikey...

please have a look at this vid.. it's most interesting.. unless you listen closely, you will not catch the words "Londonistan and Birminghamistan"..but unless I'm mistaken.. I think they actually say that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQLpG5b18pk

"We begin with your cross....

we end with your BLOOD"

Now.. let's take the 'skeptical view' of this.. and rather than blame the Muslims.. lets say its a fabrication.. a complete hoax.. produced by right wing neo Nazi's... or some other group.

Ok.. that said... what impact will it likely have? It will be the same as if it was produced by Muslims. "Excacerbate racial, religious and cultural divisions and ill will"

Sure.. it won't turn on the next wave of race riots.. but.. over time it will surely contribute to it. Imagine if soccer club hoons started to look at this..and dwelling on it...hmmmmm

Now..the critical question... "Whether REAL.. or FAKE.. on what grounds could it prove dangerous?"

ANSWER.. the reason is.. 'difference'. by emphasizing or encouraging difference rather than unity.. such material is always at the disposal of those who can see some kind of benefit from creating problems.

I am of the view..that this vid is genuine..produced by Muslims to express their outrage at the British for foreign policy which takes British troops to Muslims lands.(even when it is legitimate to shut down terrorist training camps in Afghanistan) I say this on the basis of the terminology and arabic used.

Boazycrap: << over time it will surely contribute to it. Imagine if soccer club hoons started to look at this..and dwelling on it...hmmmmm >>

About the only person I know who "dwells on" this kind of crap on YouTube is poor old Boazy. I guess it's unsurprising that fundamentalist religious nutcases seek each other out though.

Pollyana

<<ANSWER.. the reason is.. 'difference'.>>

But have you forgotten the question?

Here's another one for you: What do you have in mind when think difference is a bad thing? Skin colour? Colour of hair? Body shape? Gender? Religion? Moral worth?

And another: If difference is the problem, and assuming you like to solve problems, how would you go about eliminating difference? I assume you see yourself as the benchmark of moral worth, for example, so the people who are 'different' are 'different' from you.

But what a thought: all OLO posters being the same as Polly.

Remember Shylock's sameness speech in The Merchant of Venice? Was Shakespeare being subversive or racist?

Dear Spikey...

I find it interesting how your own presuppositions and biases are clearly evident in the structure of your posts... boringly predictable to be honest :)

They seem to typify easily identifable ideas held by certain groups in the same way that you are seeking to attribute well known ideas about racial superiority and skin color to what I'm saying.

Let me try to state it succintly:

1/ THE PROBLEM.
Difference.... i.e. difference in 'VALUES'

2/ THE SOLUTION.
a) Acceptance (in immigration) only of those (whatever color or race) who share our own values. i) Moral ii) Religious to the extent that none would be accepted where they have clearly defined religious ideas which are in conflict with ours and where history shows that ideological conflict generally results in physical violence and political struggle. ii) Secular Values are acceptable as long as, they do not include the idea of marginalization of and hostility to Christian values. (i.e. Politicized homosexuals would fit this category)
b) The active encouragement of unity, shared values, shared culture and ideas at the political/policy level.

MULTI-CULTURALISM will be replaced at every level of government with 'Assimilation, unity, integration'.

Reward and encouragement will then be offered to those migrant groups who demonstrate a desire and active agenda to 'Australianize' new migrants of their own community.

It is plain silly to encourage and reward cultural difference.

Government policy can be:

i) Neutral
ii) Actively 'against'
iii) Actively 'for'

Cultural assimilation and integration.

I hardly think any politician will like to be named and shamed as a person who seeks:

DIVISION..
SEGREGATION..
CONFLICT..
RACISM..

because the growing movement for Australian Identity will surely be using that method of achieving compliance :)

Now..let's invent a good word to utilize in this :) "Austrophobe" and "Austrophobia"..aah.. I like it.

CAMPAIGN AGAINST AUSTROPHOBIA.

EVENT 1.....

Gather at State library Vic....

-Declaration of Intent.
-Declaration of Values.
-Naming and Shaming of spineless anti Australian politicians.
(Placed on youtube, myspace, facebook, Viddler of course)

EVENT 2

-Specific politicians targeted.. peaceful demonstration outside their homes.. banners.. a bit of noise.. nothing too harsh.. again.. to youtube etc :)

EVENT 3

Steps of Parliament house.. similar sort of thing.

EVENT 4 Demonstration outside Trades Hall.. or. "Resistance Victoria" at Druids house... calling for an end to Austrophobia and the denunciation of 'Austraphobes'

Current Affair
Today Tonight
7.30 report

Imagine.. just imagine.. if all these demo's have the following participants.

Black (like realllly black)
Arab
Jew
Caucasian
Asian.

hmmm I'm warming to this :)