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Enoch Powell.. Much more to be said

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Dear Spikey.. please don't express you're racism here... truly it is shameful...

Why express anti Australian racism in a public forum?

How did you come to hold these racist ideas anyway?

Slough at one point around Powell's time had 80% plus who were in support of him.

How can you support the blatant undermining of British/English identity as follows: (Slough Today)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/06/immigration.britishidentity

At Lea nursery school in Wexham Road, Slough, it's story time. Fourteen children sit on the carpet, attention rapt, as Khairan Nisa reads The Little Red Hen. First, she tells it in English, and then repeats it in Urdu. Finally, her assistant Wioleta Kostecka translates it into her native Polish.

Of the 120 children on this year's pupil roll, 12 have English as their first language. Of the rest, the biggest group - 79 in all - arrived at the school last September speaking only Urdu or Punjabi.

COMMENT:
TWELVE? have english as their first language? What madness is this?

Perhaps that kind of situation is why THIS is now being done by the Government which inherited the shambles of the anti Powell MC forces of evil....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/15/immigration_bill_tag_plans/
Detained illegal immigrants are the latest to fall victim to the Home Office's bizarre love affair with electronic tagging. The draft immigration and citizenship bill, published this week, puts forwards proposals for "large" but unspecified bail bonds along with tagging as an alternative to detention.

and in all this... I hear the faint but increasing echo.. reverberating though the land.. "Enoch.. Enoch.. psst.. he was right"
Posted by Polycarp, Thursday, 7 August 2008 9:36:41 AM
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David Polycarp is at it again.

If you challenge his racism, he accuses you of...racism! Absurdist comedy! Surreal, David.

David, your arguments are so lightweight. Adding hysteria to them makes them even more ludicrous.

1. Popularity is not the same as being right. That's why I drew the analogy with Hitler who was extremely popular with his people and with his fanaticism put millions to death including his followers and led his country to ruin.

2. Since when was speaking other languages, to use your term, 'madness'? Rudd's Mandarin is madness? Being bilingual is madness? Must tell that to BHP executives trying to make a dollar in Asia.

3. And do you really think that reciting 'The Little Red Hen' in Urdu or Polish is MC evil? Would it be OK in French or Latin? Should we burn all books that aren't in English? What will we do about the cantankerous Welsh who insist on retaining their home language? Clap them in irons?

Polly, you say "... I hear the faint but increasing echo.. reverberating though the land.. "Enoch.. Enoch.. psst.. he was right". Hearing voices, eh? I can give you the name of a good shrink.
Posted by Spikey, Thursday, 7 August 2008 12:02:22 PM
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Boaz, you are playing the same game as you always have. Changing your name on this forum certainly hasn't changed your rabble-rousing instincts, has it?

In the interest of providing balance ("balance? wot''s that?" asks Boaz) why did you not provide us with the opening paragraph of the article you quoted?

Your contribution was:

>>"Of the 120 children on this year's pupil roll, 12 have English as their first language". COMMENT: TWELVE? have english as their first language? What madness is this?<<

But the thrust of the piece, its headline and its first paragraph read:

"How migrants fuel Britain's boom town.

David Rose has spent the past two months investigating the effect of immigration on one town, Slough in Berkshire. And while last week's report by a House of Lords committee found that immigration has no economic benefit, he has come to a very different conclusion. The local economy is booming, property prices are rising, schools and hospitals are working well. Is this town showing the rest of the country the way forward?"

I'm not surprised that you left out this part, because of course it does not support your doom-and-gloom predictions of strife and conflict, does it?

Or are you more concerned that they are in fact being successful?

Perhaps in your view, these people should remain an underclass, since they are so... foreign.

That sentiment places you much closer to Oswald Mosley than should be comfortable, Boaz, or even palatable. His entire platform was that these nasty furriners and evil Jews were conspiring to keep the British working man (read: white man) from gainful employment.

By focussing on the purely ethnic issue of the scarcity of english speakers in the classroom, you display your colours for all to see. And it still is not a pretty sight.

But that has never worried you before, so I doubt it will worry you now.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 7 August 2008 12:04:02 PM
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Priceless.

Boaz, have a think about this, from the ALR review by Carmen Callil of Sandra Hall's book "Tabloid Man: The life and Times of Ezra Norton".

"When it came to White Australia, communism, homosexuality and most other matters related to Truth's house attitudes and style, Ezra was his father's son. In 1927 Truth complained that 'black n!ggers are entirely foreign to the clean healthy outlook of the average Australian and must remain so'"

Sounds eerily familiar. Updated into whack-a-mozzie format, of course.

But wait, there's more

Callil continues:

"[according to Norton] Communists would destroy us all 'in a bath of blood'."

Wow... "in a bath of blood'.

So as it turns out, Enoch Powell was merely quoting from Australia's favourite Sunday newspaper, Truth.

Who'd a thunk it?

Are you in any way related to Ezra, by the way?

Because:

"'Poofters' - a favoured Ezra expression - were given short shrift and relentless coverage was given to arrests at Sydney's public lavatories"

To complete the picture, Ezra's father used to beat him, a practice that, as we all know, you thoroughly approve of.

I think we may have found a cultural spirit guide for you, Boaz.

Is it still published in Melbourne? If so, I expect to see it replace YouTube as your major source of social commentary material.

Spooky, isn't it?
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 7 August 2008 1:34:40 PM
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Spikey,Pericles,Examinator,CJMorgan,TRTL:

So you lot really believe that Enoch Powell was wrong, do you?

You would also have us believe that Britain is now a wonderful place?

Well maybe all the friends, relatives and my 92 year old Mother that are still living there could give you the real picture as to just how wonderful Britain is today, with back streets full of uncollected rubbish and when you have to eventually go out to do some shopping you dare not look at any of the "new Brits" or you may just suffer a severe kicking or stabbing!

In most parts of Britain today, the white Anglo Saxons are a very insignificant minority group, battling to keep what is left of their country as it is gradually swallowed up by Aliens!..where then was Enoch Powell wrong in his predictions? During the Notting Hill riots the combatants were running around kissing each other? Birmingham, Leeds, a couple more of the UK "places of interest"!

My own mother who is renting a flat above a shop in Lancashire ( and has spent lots of money furnishing and decorating it to suit her situation of being partially crippled ) was visited one morning by a Pakistani "gentleman" who had just, unknown to her, purchased the place and many others in close proximity. He said that he was just inspecting his investments and was considering "upping" the rent on her flat as it was now such a nice place!Mum asked him how many other places that his people had purchased in the town, to which he replied "Quite a few Mrs ......, and in a couple of years time we will own it ALL!"

NO! I am sorry to argue with you all, but Powell was right, in principle!

No! CJMorgan.I did not support Pauline!I prefer Aborigines, and after all she was only playing the anti-Aboriginal card to gain votes!...Now there you have a racist/opportunist! (and you brought it up NOT I!)
Posted by Cuphandle, Thursday, 7 August 2008 2:38:13 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your mother, Cuphandle.

But you are generalizing from the particular. Just a little.

>>you dare not look at any of the "new Brits" or you may just suffer a severe kicking or stabbing!<<

I get back to the old Dart fairly regularly, mostly on business, sometimes on holiday. My old mum is well into her eighties, and lives in a small bungalow on the fringes of a provincial town. I have many friends and relatives, scattered the length and breadth of the UK, from Cornwall to Inverness via Birmingham, Manchester and London.

None of them is by any stretch of the imagination well off, but equally, none of them have had problems remotely like those of your mother. None has been vandalized, mugged, or even threatened.

Not one.

>>You would also have us believe that Britain is now a wonderful place?<<

It is, actually, a genuinely fun place to be, if you can afford the train fares. It is not without its problems, but they are pretty much the same as they always have been.

Incidentally, the "back streets full of uncollected rubbish" you refer to are more likely to be caused by the lunatic decision of many local councils to only collect every fortnight. Nothing to do with immigration, everything to do with a creaking socialist power structure.

>>I am sorry to argue with you all, but Powell was right, in principle!<<

Don't apologize. Arguing is good. All it means is that we see things differently. And as I see it, Powell was part of the problem, and his proposals were never going to be part of the solution.
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 7 August 2008 3:02:48 PM
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