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Enoch Powell.. Much more to be said

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Hi Spikey...

I'll address those questions now,

1/ Which part of Britain are Segregated?

Birmingham, Bradford,Brixton, South London and numerous other areas such as Sloughe.. (google that one.. most interesting)

2/ The Last race riot....

Ok.. fair point which deserves a serious answer.

A) Policing Methods.. (the 'when' is moot)

Due to the backlash of the migrants to 'get tough on crime' policing...the police now tend to 'video' race or religious based events, and identify trouble makers and grab them in the early mornings.

This are much less obvious 'Police' actions which can be used as a trigger for such things as happened in the previous major riots.

B) This is a new phase..but if you don't think Powells words are coming true simply because you don't see it 'now'.. all I can say is 'keep watching'.

The very serious issue which my posts seeks to address is this.
"Uncontrolled" immigration will have exactly the same result as it did in Milan.
That riot was caused by exactly the same 'reaction to police' as for Brixton, Southall etc.

The formula is exactly.. to the dotted eyes and crossed tee's of Powells speech "First segregation..then violence".

If there were not 'concentrations' of migrants of similar ethnicity in these places.. they could not and would not cry "They are picking on US.. because we are xyz race"

If you don't see very worrying omens in the Milan riots, then I hereby send you back to school for a real education :)
(stick to the medical stuff mate.. ur probably better at it, leave the sociology to those with clear minds)
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 18 August 2008 11:59:41 PM
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Polycarp,

What a great comedian you are. You of all people telling others to "leave the sociology to those with clear minds". I fell off my chair in hysterical laughter. I've read a lot of your posts and evidence of a clear mind in your writing continues to elude me.

To claim that Birmingham, Bradford, Brixton, South London [a massive area] and "numerous other areas" such as Slough are segregated is to stretch credulity to breaking point. You must be using a wondrous definition of "segregated". Pray tell what it is.

My daughter lived in Croydon and whenever I visited I saw a full range of people from all manner of heritage backgrounds. I was in England again earlier this year and visited some of the places you claim are "segregated". I don't know where you get your "facts". But you can't just claim something is true because you'd like it to be true.

On alleged race riots you don't give "a serious answer" despite your declared intention to do so. What you are basically saying (against your earlier claims) is that there are no race riots but there might be sometime somewhere in the future.

So, Enoch Powell's prediction of rivers of blood in British streets has turned out to be totally wrong. But you rationalise that away by saying that just because his prediction hasn't come true yet, we must keep watching because it will/might/could/ one day/some day. "Keep watching", you advise.

But how long do we watch? His prediction was made in 1968 - forty years ago. To paraphrase a great writer: the past is another country; come up to the present, David, they do things differently here.
Posted by Spikey, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 1:02:45 AM
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I strongly suspect that you haven't set foot on the shores of Blighty, Boaz. Probably Ireland has escaped your wandering feet also. You certainly demonstrate an armchair observer's knowledge and understanding of what goes on there, rather than someone such as I who has family and friends scattered the length and breadth of that fair land.

We are indeed fortunate that this does not stop you from pontificating at length about rivers of blood, segregated towns and cities, Brixton riots and many, many other topics.

If you were to stick to things that you know about, instead of what propaganda you garner from YouTube etc., the world of OLO would be a far less colourful place.

There are very few "no-go" areas in the UK. Those that do exist are typical run-down city-centre phenomena, and could equally be populated by white English "hoodies" as by any other colour or nationality.

Enoch was just plain wrong, whichever way you look at it, and no amount of wishful thinking on your part will change that.

My brother-in-law in Birmingham, my cousin in South London and my ex-workmate in Slough would like to add their own comment on your description of their home town [add sound of raspberry here].

I don't have any contacts in Bradford though. Perhaps you should focus there, I'm sure you could find vast tracts of useful "facts" on YouTube.

I'm interested in hearing any justification you might have for continuing this thread, Boaz. Your views as a distant observer, coloured as they are by your extreme prejudice, have very little value.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 10:14:33 AM
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Pericles, Spikey:
Why don`t you go and join them if you think it is SO GOOD living in Britain,.....or are you another of the many traitors who left to come here and spend your leisure time "rubbishing" other people!
I would bet that you have a photo of "Baroness" Maggie Thatcher ( the fastest Greengrocer`s daughter in the west!) hanging on your walls!
By the way, I could send you A$40 so that you can take a couple of your mates with you, to help you on your way to your "paradise"!
Posted by Cuphandle, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 10:55:14 AM
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Oh, great.

>>Why don`t you go and join them if you think it is SO GOOD living in Britain<<

We've finally arrived at the "if you think it's so good, why don't you live there" argument.

So intelligent. So persuasive.

There are any number of countries in the world where I would happily live, Cuphandle. The UK is one of them. Australia is another. France is another. I enjoyed working in the US, and would happily do so again. Germany is delightful, especially Bavaria. Ireland is great - I haven't lived there, but I have visited enough to know it's a great place. Italy - especially Rome - would attract me. And I frequently felt, after a trip to the Greek islands, that chucking it all in and becoming a ferry captain would be the dogs' wotsits of a life.

I'd probably draw the line at Zimbabwe, though. Most of Africa, I'm afraid - call me precious, but I'd have a great deal of difficulty adjusting to that particular lifestyle. And I'd find China a bit intimidating at my time of life, with all those millions of highly intelligent go-getters building their businesses.

When the time comes, Cuphandle, I probably will head off again, if only to stop myself becoming insufferably smug and self-satisfied.
Posted by Pericles, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 11:17:43 AM
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Cuphandle

What sort of 'argument' do you think that is? A person creates a false description of another country, we refute that description and the only response is for you to tell us to go and live there. What an intellectual powerhouse you are.

No, I'm wrong. It's not you only response. You also have the silly suggestion that we might be "traitors" (although it's not clear what the treason might be).

And a third peurile and disconnected inspirational 'thought' that we might have a picture of Maggie Thatcher on the wall. Whatever has the Baroness got to do with the price of a bar of soap?

I'm not so sure that you don't now outrank Polybabble in the quest to find OLO's most asinine commentator.
Posted by Spikey, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 6:07:28 PM
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