I will answer you wendy, but first, lets tell everyone the truth about your claim to be “in conj RSPCA QLD” You realize you are committing an offence by breaching trademark laws don’t you? You don’t have their consent to use their name. Links to a website don’t give you that right.

Yes, I know the piggery wendy is talking about. It’s a great example of wendys fine insight into free range farming. Do you know what Bred Free Range means? That’s what KR produce. It means the sow gives birth outside. The piglets are taken at 21 days and put in pens. Whats free about that Wendy? She is actually offering support to something she condemns, but don’t take my word for it. There is actually an independent case study done on this farm http://www.ciwf.org/publications/GAP/GAP_Case_Studies_Australia_2.pdf Make your own decision.

You get so tangled up in your own crap it would take more than my 350 words to even start to straighten you out. I will condense it then. You know nothing about my farm, organics (NASAA) free range farming, or telling the truth. You didn’t even know about Amanda Vanstone until I told you. You are so misguided and uniformed its embarrassing.

No one replies to your letters because its YOU. People need to step outside this forum and take a look around. You are a joke in the animal welfare area.

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Yabby, here’s a link for you too- watch the video footage.

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=live_transport3&Player=wm&speed=_med

People who come to my discussion will be informed of both sides: I’ll give them your link, that report Cameron wrote, and also give them footage like this one and worse. They can make up their own mind whether live exports are cruel or fair.

Rules ‘how things should be’ made up by bureaucrates or video evidence that is NOT outdated but recent? Hmmm what would they believe?

Wendy sees new, recent footage almost every day. I chose the PETA footage only because it is one long running video and easy to access.
Other footage I have watched comes in little sections for separate downloads.

I know you don't want to see it, Yabby- you have said before that you "don't watch footage". How informed is that making you, Yabby? You want to close your eyes because you don't want to give up your one-sided opinion.
Anyone can read neat and clean reports and believe that this is the reality.

RObert’s advice to concentrate on agreements seems as I said VERY sensible. This is the last thing I said on live exports. It’s useless discussing this further.

I will refrain from posting on this thread until all defamatory posts have been removed.

This thread has become like a psycho ward instead of an animal discussion.

Pigfarmer, PALE, FAP (this is not an organisation as far as Google can see)- and other animal lovers- don’t we have one aim in mind- to do something against animal cruelty?
Why the competition and the hate- we should all work together and help and advice each other. Nobody is perfect.

Graham Y, why don’t you remove all defamatory posts- all people involved in this discussion are doing wonderful things for animals and they don’t deserve to be insulted and defamed by each other. NOTHING positive comes out of this. The work pigfarmer does is highly valued. The work PALE does, too. All do something out of love for animals.

I hope to be back when all this destruction has stopped.

If the link I gave doesn't work go to Change Preferences in the right hand corner to suit your PC (choose from windows media, realplayer or quicktime.)

Let me explain Cilivia, we are a group of very concerned farmers, our numbers growing by the day as as these posts are spread across our network. No we are not a registered association and dont have to be.

I think you are right not to post here any further. I think this whole discussion should shut down. Its only a soapbox for PALE. We wont be.

"Graham Y, why don’t you remove all defamatory posts- all people involved in this discussion are doing wonderful things for animals and they don’t deserve to be insulted and defamed by each other. NOTHING positive comes out of this."

Is Graham Y in charge of the forums? If so I second this. This thread is a total mess.