"Defaming someone’s business without thorough investigation of the facts"

Ok Celivia, lets turn that around shall we. All sorts of things
have been claimed on here about the live export trade. It is
someone's business, thousands of farming families depend on it.

How thoroughly have you or others on here investigated the
live trade as it functions today? Have your read the Federal
regulations of 2005, with hundreds of rules and regulations,
which now have to be complied with ?

http://www.daff.gov.au/livestockexportstandards

Rules on everything from space, food, water, humane euthanasia
of any sick animals, its a huge list! Take the trouble to
read those standards and then tell me if what has been claimed
on here is correct in regards to today's trade.

So you are going to give a talk on animal welfare. What are
you going to say about the live trade? Where did you source
your information? How accurate is it? Do you realise that
if your information is not accurate, you could be damaging
thousands of peoples lives, even though your information
is incorrect?

Yes, I called you a bunch of housewives lol, as that was by
far the common denominator. If most of you had been plumbers,
I would have called you a bunch of plumbers. The point was
that here was a bunch of people planning to get politically
active, tv adds and whatever, most of them knowing very very
little about farm livestock, sheep in particular and even
less about the present live trade as it functions today.

If you'd at least all been sheep farmers, we could have discussed
the issue on a different level then we have been able to.
If most of you were scientists, the source of your information
would have mattered more to you, as to its accuracy.

So I called it as I saw it, a bunch of housewives, wearing their
hearts on their sleeves, without having performed a thorough
investigation, as you yourself claim is required.

Ozgirl Cilivia Robert Yabby Pig Farmer Scout GrahamY
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Organics is the way to go, is it?

May we ask a question?

This office has just spend days filming a wonderful Free Range Butcher Shop On the Gold Coast.

We thought we had stuck Gold With Everything advertised as Free Range From Poulty, pork, meat, eggs. Even home made dinners.!

Little corner shop supporting Free Range. We checked out the GJs ORGANIC MEATS supplier.

A intensive pig farmer at Bangalo.NSW.

I personally spoke to him this supplier and he argued that Free Range get mange.

I spoke then with the butcher who said but its ORGANIC,

Pig farmer will want to discredit PALE but we are asking for the animals sake. How will the public really know the difference.?

If everybody starts going on about Organics it could mislead the public to thinking its not intensive ?

Do you lock your pigs up in those terrible bars cages like Amanda Vanstones pig Farmer.?

Is this what you call Free Range? Or are you one of the few good farmers as would indicate on your web page. ?

How in the hell are the public to know if they are so called Organic selling under Free Range but really intensive.

We are all aware that accreditation is given to poultry farmers as Free Ranger pointed out when they debeak.

We know Amanada Vanstones hell whole is also accredited and quite legal under the codes as well.

Question is do you operate in the same manner as this so called Organic pig farmer who by the way addmitts he is not Free Range?

Do you lock your pigs up like we have seen in bars.

If you dont then do you have any advise for the public as to how they can know for sure?

Is Organic not a word being used to mislead the public by some?

This is a question not an acccusation.

PALE - is that you Wendy?

If you read through what has been written recently some are suggesting that organics is not sustainable.

What has been proposed is an alternate certification that covers both the treatment of the animals and the human health issues. Something that if implemented appropriately would stop the very situation that you found. Like all standards there would need to be some protections put in place to ensure that what you buy actually lived up to the claim.

The hard work is then in deciding what goes into the standard. I'm guessing that some animal husbandry practices would invoke a lot of debate between those that help the animals well being and those who don't. Likewise debate about what are acceptable additives and treatments given to produce and livestock on the way to human consumption.

R0bert

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Yes RObert its wendy (not in conjuction with the RSPCA) means shes out of posts.

Pig Farmer.

Thank You. The public will make up their own minds as to why you would not answer.

It was a reasonable Question.

RSPCA can only act under the codes of practise they are given.

Its not their fault.

Public who watched the blind eye on the 4 Corners blamed the RSPCA

Its not their fault.

We asked Steve Fielding from the Christain point of view but he said he wasnt having a animal welfare policy.

That leaves us with farmers one in victoria who is not RSPCA accredited and does not lock them up.

He supplies to KR darling towns. A real Farmer who never found the need for web web page which is typical of the real deal.

He has little huts and they have staff whos sometimes have to go around and put the pigglets back inside if mum wonders off and leaves them for a while.

The reason they do that is because of sun burn and just in case a preditor comes along.


You wish to defame our organisation but you wont even use your real name.

Free Range What Who is Free Range what does it really mean.

Now we have Organic

Well if the word Organic means that butchers can confuse the public we might require labelling.

In the mean time I urge the public to be careful about the use of this word.
RSPCA do the best they can with the few codes they have.

The rest is up to the public to suport them instead of blaming them

Just try to find good real Free Range Suppliers and check it out as much as possible.

Cruelty to Animals Australia say No.

Robert

Sorry I missed you. Yes Wendy is PALE in conjuction RSPCA QLD.

See http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/ scroll to live exports , or

http://www.livexports.com

http://www.halakindmeats.com

If you read the web pages you will see a letter of support of our work From The Humane Society.

We work with everybody who is serious about animal welfare.

I was surprised by the real concern shown by the Muslim Leaders of Australia after meetings.

At first I thought they were just being diplomatic when several called to see how else they could be of assistance .

Pity The churches leaders of the Christian faith didnt respond .

We got one reply out of almost two thousand letters.

That reply was to say they were busy.