Hi all

Dickie, we have hurt Yabby's feelings on the other thread, by telling the world what livestock producers do to their animals in Australia. So much for "world's best practice".

Thanks for that link, those photos will be useful to add to the submission I am preparing for the OIE, in which I shall be demanding why no sanctions have been imposed on these countries. Photos do not lie.

Kim (Fat) Chance visited one meatworks in Saudi Arabia and said it was as good or better than what he has seen in Australia. One? ONE? In ONE country? What a dropkick. Of course he is going to say that, he is a sheep farmer (or if he isn't, he is in the pocket of sheep farmers).
The RSPCA in WA has two live export farmers on the State Council, Des Gooding and Neville Marsh. Gooding has an old conviction for cruelty to animals too. Looks pretty corrupt to me.

Yabby, if your lambs go to the tender mercies of an Islamic bank for the meat to be "given to the poor" why not give meat processed in Australia "to the poor"? And is this ALL of the Hajj lambs we're talking about? No, I thought not.

Nor is the "Becrux" kinder than any vegan alternative. No animal should be born for no better purpose than to spend its short life being brutalized by you, then put on a tramp ship (let's not forget that the "Becrux" is the only ship that anyone ever gets to see because the rest are simply disgusting) and butchered halfway across the world. (Dickie, yes, the contents of the macerators are sprayed out over the side of the ships (those equipped with macerators. The animals put into them may or may not be dead, likewise those put over the side).

Don't breed more than you can feed, for God's sake. It's not rocket science.

As for your complaints about Tri-solfen - I looked at your link. It appears to be readily available through a veterinarian as a S4 preparation. What's your problem?

Nicky

*No animal should be born for no better
purpose than to spend its short life being brutalized by you,*

Animals are born Nicky, because their parents have sex, the most natural thing
in the world. Your very own charter states that they should live naturally.
Leave animals to their own devices, as you vegans claim should happen, they will
do exactly that. Then, when there are too many, they will die miserable deaths from
starvation, due to overpopulation. That is the reality of nature for you, which you
are trying to deny. The vegan solution means huge suffering, starvation and misery
in the animal world, something which you cannot deny, even as you wear your
feelgood blinkers.

*One? ONE? In ONE country?* I never claimed that he only visited a single one,
but stated what he found in one of the new plants just built. Kim has less of a vested
interest then you have, for its you who seek the power to close down farming as we
know it. He can at least be somewhat objective. Not so with you fanatics.

*why not give meat processed in Australia "to the poor*

Because it is part of the Hajj ritual for pilgrims going to Mecca. This year, Australia
missed out on the order, the Saudis have found cheaper supplies from Africa, China and South America. If Australian lambs go to the ME, they won’t be going as part
of the Islamic Bank order, where they all go to the same place.

*Don't breed more than you can feed,*

Sheesh, you are thick as a brick Nicky. Animals left to their own devices, act
naturally and breed by themselves. Leaving them to their own devices, is exactly
what you vegans are suggesting, to replace farming, which you detest.

As to the work that Meredith Shiel is doing, its a lot more then Trisolfen, but that
seems to have gone over your head too. Fact is that Trisolfen is still not good enough
for you vegans, banning farming altogether is your agenda

Hi all

Yabby, you are not doing the maths. You deliberately put too many animals together, they breed and that is commercial gain. It has very little to do with nature and everything to do with greed.

And Kim Chance objective? That is clear evidence why I've got degrees taking in political science and you haven't. What a pitiful observation!

But as I said on the other thread, it is pointless going over the same all ground with Yabby, so I'm not going to go there any more. It seems that there are various avenues through which this can be pursued internationally, so I'm going to spend a bit more time on that.

Nicky

*Yabby, you are not doing the maths. You deliberately put too many animals together, they breed and that is commercial gain.*

Nicky, perhaps you should go back and read Darwin's Origin of
Species, to get at least a 101 understanding of evolution theory.
You only need to start with 2, nature does the rest. Its
just a question of time. The fundamentals do not change.

*That is clear evidence why I've got degrees taking in political science and you haven't. What a pitiful observation!*

People like you need degrees dear, so that somebody will employ
you. I have been self employed virtually all my life, so don't
need to impress anybody. Shame that you never studied biology,
you might at least understand a bit more about nature.

You girls run off now and chase your international water thinggy,
it will take you a few years and keep you occupied, give you a
purpose in life. In the end you will hit a dead end, based on
the funmentals, but learn that for yourself. Meantime
you two might not post as much nonsense on OLO anymore, which
has to be a good thing! Off you go now, you go show em. grrr :)

"You only need to start with 2, nature does the rest. Its
just a question of time. The fundamentals do not change."

Yes that is true, Yabby. However, responsible animal owners have their animals spayed or castrated (under a general anaesthetic of course) so they can't breed out of control.

So what were you ranting on about when you said that our recommendations would see a rampant increase in your livestock?

Hi all

Dickie, spot on. We don't have equally rampant breeding of horses, for example, simply because people don't farm them for people to eat.

Yabby, it's not stuff to do with laws of the seas I'm working on, it's the activities of the livestock "industries" in Australia that I'm collecting evidence on for international exposure. You know - what you do and how you do it. And you've given me SO much to work with!

Cheers
Nicky

PS I will continue to visit from time to time though.