Nickysaid

PALE,I have no problem ..

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Doesnt matter. Gets it on record.

Nickysaid
After I challenged ..

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:)

See we have something in common.

Nickysaid
I was aware of what creek fed ...
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An old timers expression.

Its a 'discrace' that Hugh has not been shouting from the roof tops about feed lots. Now, its going to be harder to stop.
Only way to stop it is to compete in the industry with creek fed and free range.

Pluss of course reopening local abattoirs close to place of origen and diverting orders from live to chilled.

We have to start someplace.

Nickysaid
My speaking to your friend Robert ...
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Nicky 'your wrong'. They DO have the knowledge. Its easy for them to access WA law. 'However" I dont have enough knowledge to brief them.QC is looking at another angle= for same results. I asked RSPCA National and they refered us to AA of course.

Robert contacted Glenys and he waited for her email. It has not arrived to date. Its basic background he requires. I can only suggest you could be more helpful than you think. With the GREATEST repect a QC is a bit different to inhouse lawyers.

All he wants to do is help the Animals. Hes a animal lover of the highest order. I think you`d like him TBO

After all what harm could it do to speak to him and the QC. I dont know enough about the WA case .
Still of course that is up to you.
I do however wish you would reconsider for the animals sake.
Nickysaid
Sadly, it's beginning to look as if that case is just going to "go away"
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Well Nicky thats up to you because you know more than I do about the WA matter. Roberts offered to take it further.
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That's why I think complaints to the OIE (where the country concerned is a signatory) could be an avenue worth investigating. Most of these ME countries are, from memory.
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I like your thinking- perfect.
PS who is Rachel?

Hi all

PALE, Rachel is (Senator) Rachel Siewert .

And all I know about the "Al Kuwait" case is what I've read from Animals Australia's website. The court transcript is there, along with commentary from one of their lawyers, Dr Malcolm Caulfield. So what I know is publicly available to everyone, downloadable and printable from that website.

My own interpretations are that the only person with the standing to bring an appeal to a higher court (in WA) is the WA Solicitor General (or Attorney General in other jurisdictions), and if that avenue has been blocked (by Ravlich) then no-one else can do it, But I don't know that. It maybe possible somehow to take it to a Federal court but I don't know that either.

The only other comment I would have to make is that while s109 of the Constitution provides for, in a case where there is an inconsistency between Commonwealth and State Law, Commonwealth Law prevails, s118, seemingly conversely, provides for the laws of the States to be protected. But again, that's only my opinion.

Since when does Hugh Wirth scream anything about farm animals from the rooftops? The WSPA (rotating Presidency) [position may be a three year one.

I don't even know whether the OIE angle would be worth pursuing in the light of the answers Rachel Siewert got in Senate Estimates, but it would certainly be good to start embarrassing Egypt, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, the UAE, Jordan ... in that order maybe. A media release saying that you were doing it would be worthwhile too.

Nicky

PALE, Rachel is ...
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Ok, I see Tar. Thought you might have been refering to legal council.
I once spoke with Dr Malcolm Caulfield. Good of him to do what he did. I will leave it at that.


Your comments re the WA case are most helpful to us. Saves a bit of leg work.
WSPA President has been Hugh for about six years as far as I know Nicky. He was President of both RSPCA and WSPA for a long time.

Anyway it wouldnt make that much difference IMOP. Sometimes its a case of better he devil you know.

It does give some insight into 'how WSPA thinks as a united organisation-' think about it.

I am not talking about all the fantasic staff or voluteers either.
I am sure its a wealth of information finding out what everybody is doing.

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A media release saying that you were doing it would be worthwhile too.

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Umm, dont know I would agree with you on that one.
I tend to think the humble quite approach is best. Walk in quitely with senior council who`s well regadred and respected by the Judge. Dont make a public circus out of it or a big deal of it.

That tends to get courts off side straight away by playing up something pre hearing to the media.
I guess its just different strokes for different folks but thats MOP.


Robert had hoped Glenyse would have emailed him as promised.

The whole idea was to 'assist'. Not take it over. You know just give them some extra help in the background. Doesnt look like thats going to be accepted again.

Personally I wouldnt want to do anything without Lyns involement so it might be a case of - Not enough interest.

So if nobody wants to help it probably wont happen IMOP

Hi all

PALE, I was referring to the International Organization for Animal Health (OIE) - not a court as such, it is an international body so a complaint would have to take the form of a written submission. There is plenty of evidence at the various websites that could form a submission.

That would be where the media release would be useful - stating that the Australian government is continuing to (and even expanding the trade in) sending live animals to countries which, despite being signatories to OIE standards and agreements, are in clear breach of them. The Australian government has not sought sanctions, so it is left to animal advocates to do so. It could be a means of forcing some form of sanctions by the OIE (expulsion from the OIE, fines, monitoring, etc).

I'm sure that if AA has been able to find a means of pursuing the "Al Kuwait" case, the Victorian network of barristers led by Graeme McEwen would be onto it, with the help of Malcolm Caulfield. It is unlikely they would be able to discuss it unless/until something has actually happened though, so Glenys' hands are probably tied.

Nicky

Hi Nicky

Boy am ah tard! I've been very busy commenting on international animal welfare threads and alerting citizens overseas to the atrocities inflicted on Australian livestock.

Most sites I visited had already written on Australia's mulesing and live exports, however, after elaborating on live exports, I informed them of the surgical procedures and of animals' short and miserable lives whilst in captivity.

By the way, I see that pollie Matt Birney had directed questions to our Attorney General, Scissor Snips Mcginty over the Emanuel Exports case. As was expected, McGinty duckshoved them onto Lil. I would imagine her response is imminent.

That's it for now.

Cheerio

Hi all

Dickie, do you think anything might happen in political circles over there over the Emanuels affair? It would be good if enough political pressure could be brought to bear to have the appeal reinstated.

Cheers for now,
Nicky