EasyTimes,

I think you will find this investigation started much like everything else around here - pretty much.
Apart from the babe one nothings thats been done has been orgiginal.
I agree with you easy times and I almost fell off my chair when I saw the 60 minutes footage too for the same reason.
Within seconds of the footage running I said Oh bloody hello the fools.
Everybody else said - whats the matter? I said - Its not an Australian Animal- thats whats they matter.

You know easy times pale conacted them two a
and a half years prior to that wanting to combine a investigation with certain retired federal police and other very expereinced people.

No No No said the leader of AA. Its always been like this. The same thing happend when we asked her to assist brief a silk to bring about a case re animal treatment and lack 0f laws.

Then we have the uni law groups and uni groups. 'How original.'

Nicky is completly brain washed and she posts nothing other than old stuff over and over again off their site.

She hasnt got an original thought and for that matter nor do they.

BUT they at least care what happens . Its just a pity they refuse to learn and their leader IMO is so unwilling to be informed.

Kevin Rudd
Six Months into the job and your Government are already stuffed 'finished.' Thats got to be a new record.

Kevin I spoke with two of your advisors. One who contacted us pre ALP election and Tony Burkes advisor a few months ago.
The first bloke was your mate Kerrys advisor. He claimed he was asked to call by a higher authority.

I listended to him with a mixture of interest disbelief and some amusment.
Of course like everybody else we watched your parties pre election pitch on landline with pretty much the same feeling.

I must addmitt Mr Rudd pale had the heads up having tried to deal with you proir. Your refusal as shadow Minister to report to the public in the middle of the biggest enquiry ever held AWB. The fact that AWB money to SH was not just wheat but blood money from the barbaric evil unnessary trade of live exports.

This was despite the fact 60 minutes two weeks prior had done a doc on live animal exports and you KNEW it was very much in the publics interest and concern.

The second advisor we spoke with was your mate Tonys. He knows as much about live stock as AA IMOP yet HES the advisor- hilarious.

Kevin lets call a spade a spade.

Now heres the difference between yourself and your so called advisor and Animals Australia IMOP. Knowledge on stock its a tie. (congradulations)

However its 'not' their job 'but yours' and the twits you employed.

Over all Mr Rudd Animals Australia have done something that you as a person are not capable of which is have some common deceny.

I am just wondering how much Elders and the other shipping agents toss into your political donations now to allow them to peddle in the barbaric missery of millions of animals.

Tell me does any of that reach the Church Leaders or do you just use our publics purse to buy their silence?

Live animal exports is our nations greatest shame Kevin Rudd.

Your our second.

Hi all

Senator Rachel Siewert (Greens, WA) asked some very powerful questions of the live exporters in Senate Estimate hearings on May 26.

Included in her questions were how the ALES are enforced on a State basis (in the context of the "Al Kuwait" case). Mr Aldred (for the industry) was largely unable to answer her questions on that, beyond saying that the ALES has been changed so that that particular instance could not arise again under the new ALES. Nothing is in place in the States to address this.

She then asked a Mr Read about AQIS activities and the feedlotting process.

Senator Siewert went on to ask Mr Read about the OIE, and whether Australia exported to countries who were not signatories to OIE standards, He didn't know, and deferred related questions to Paul Morris. Mr Morris confirmed MoUs relating to unloading animals were in place with several countries but if they "fall over" Eritrea is the fallback port for rejected shipments.

Finally:
Senator Siewert: If I understand what you have just said, you in fact do not do an analysis against those (OIE) guidelines to see whether countries, even if they are members, are meeting them or not.

Mr Morris—No, we do not, and neither does the OIE, for that matter. They are relatively new guidelines. They have only been in place for a few years now, and so the onus is on members such as Australia and other developed countries to try and encourage the less developed countries who are members of the organisation to adopt those standards. In fact, that is what we have been doing. In addition to the work on infrastructure in these countries, we have been working both in the Middle East and in Asia to try and get them to adopt the standards as part of their legislation or regulations in those regions. So, in essence, we are actually doing our duty, I guess, as a member of the OIE to encourage other countries to meet those standards.

No MoUs are being, or have been, negotiated in SE Asia

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky
Fanstic post . I am afriad I missed all of that. Will forward your comment to Robert to give to QC looking at WA.
What a pity you wouldnt speak Robert to help brief him.
Many ears and hands make light work.
There is a familar ring between this WA Government and for example the raid held on the whistle blower at the media.
Clearly they are totally out of control. Sounds like Senator Rachel Siewert (Greens, WA) might be a good person for him to contact also.
Good work and thanks from pale.

Nicky
I one of your comments you mentioned feed lots. Its very late I wanted to raise this issue with feed lots that I tripped over yesterday.

I was speaking with a farmer supplier about supply and when I mentioned creek fed. I was told one farmers almost lost his accreditation because he was feeding creek fed and not fully intensive feed lot.

Furious I contacted MLA who (are listed in white pages under Government)? Probably just as well because they have such a low profile with directory assistant. /

"They asked what creek fed was ?" Wow Good old MLA are the stock men or not? I dont think!

From there of course they directed me to Aus Meat who used be a Government body but changed to a public registered company?

These are the people (according to MLA) who looked after accreditations. They asked what creek fed was?

Aus Meat 'then' referred me to Aus Qual who are a mob of feed lot industry people and set their own standards?

Of course they were all quick to assure me RSPCA supported all of this.

Perhaps as Hugh doesn’t speak to us and he’s was President of RSPCA National for a long time you might like to ask him WHY he would agree to this?

Mr. Bruce Gormley was the name of the gentleman I spoke to at Aus Meat.

I will provide you with a number in case you would like to make your own enquire 0733619229.

Now before you ask me what creek fed is=
Allowing Animals to walk around a paddock and eat grass and behave naturally while a tractor usually drives around twice a day etc spreading grain for them to eat from troughs on the sides of the paddock.
I would have thought this would assist with disease control not to mention is far more humane.

MLA have a lot to answer and someone ought to tell AVA what creek fed is.
Speaking of AVA why the silence from the others about their discusting lack of action?
Any idea

Hi all

PALE,I have no problem with asking Hugh Wirth, except that he is unlikely to answer me either. After I challenged him about something a few years back, he doesn't like me very much, I'm afraid. I was aware of what creek fed was, but a bit mystified about where the word "creek" fits.

The feedlots I have seen are simply appalling, and of course breach all five freedoms and if any animals other than farm animals were kept that way the operators would be prosecuted. But it's the same old story.

My speaking to your friend Robert would have been no use whatsoever, because I don't have the required qualifications or the knowledge of WA law, or how relevant the overlap with the Constitution (s109 and s118) is. Sadly, it's beginning to look as if that case is just going to "go away" (although it is mentioned in the long "Handle with Care Report".

Rachel would most likely have been briefed with those questions, but she does seem to be very much on top of the issues. That's why I think complaints to the OIE (where the country concerned is a signatory) could be an avenue worth investigating. Most of these ME countries are, from memory.

Nicky