Hi again all

PALE, the kindest thing you could do for yourself and all of us is invest in a good dictionary and some written communication classes. Look up "deranged", "disgust", "disappointed" and "relationship" (those being the most recent four that scream for attention. I won't even start on the grammar, punctuation, "ummms" and "yups").

Then you should seek some help for your delusions.

And STILL no evidence, just more figurative screeching at anyone and everyone. You do NOT support any other animal advocacy group, you have made that more than clear. In every post you do your (limited) utmost to undermine them. Did Animals Angels not also refuse to work with you, along with everyone else?

STILL no evidence based material about what PALE has achieved in its almost 8 years of operation, beyond an old website for a slaughterhouse, with terrible music and a the life story of an obscure farmer. As I said, you need to put up or shut up.

Yabby, wisdom is nothing of the sort, and you know it. Nor did I discuss the conditions of sheep in paddocks or condemn all transporters on the basis of one saleyard - you know that too. I condemned the multiple transporters whom I have filed charges with sheep on top of one another on the top tiers of 4-decker transports and others with sheep almost hanging out of the sides. They were not only entering or leaving saleyards either.

Your interest in neuroscience, in terms of real knowledge, is basically nothing more substantial than at a level which you believe entitles you to make gender-baserd judgments when you are at a disadvantage. And they get pretty boring eventually as well when they are repeated often enough (here and on other threads).

Cheers
Nicky

*Yabby, wisdom is nothing of the sort, and you know it.*

Nicky, clearly you are not wise, or you would recognise the truism of that
quote!

*I condemned
the multiple transporters whom I have filed charges with sheep on top of one another*

Ok, so you are on about a few transporters, not the sheep transport industry in general. You don’t make that clear, for you go on and on and on and on about
transporting sheep in general. And you think that I repeat myself? Hehe.

*Your interest in neuroscience, in terms of real knowledge, is basically nothing more substantial*

You don’t have the foggiest as to what I know about neuroscience, as we have never
debated the subject. I simply raised one small point. Rather then concede that I might
be correct, you tried to ridicule it, to try and win the argument. Sorry, it ain’t that
simple darling :)

.

Hi again all

Yabby, you are in a sweet frame of mind this evening. I'll say one thing for you; you are wiser than I am insofar as you do not involve yourself with PALE's confused monologues.

Neuroscience is a highly complex and multi-faceted field of which endocrinology is just one element, but I'm sure you'll tell me you know that. But perhaps you will agree that we are also products of our genetics, our environments and other factors such as our education and the demographic to which we belong. And anthropomorphism is the term you're looking for, I think.

No, I haven't condemned the transport industry as a whole, but I do condemn the ones I have filmed, and against whom the police saw fit to either issue severe cautions or lay charges based on my photographic evidence and prosecution briefs. The same goes for some saleyards (yes, I am familiar with more than one). The one to which you seem to be referring and with which I am most familiar has just been charged for leaving over 40 sheep in a pen without a scrap of food for nine days, claiming it "wasn't their problem". It engenders some cynicism in me, I'm afraid. It is at least the third time this company has been charged and/or convicted.

I have also photographed sheep which have fallen from overloaded trucks, in the company of a friend who has a sheep farm and knows a bit about that sort of stuff. One died as we tried to get veterinary help (or even the police to shoot it) in the middle of nowhere. We had just passed the truck it fell from heading in the opposite direction on a main highway.

Nite (sic - for PALE's benefit) for now,
Nicky

If we had to sit and type each post by hand on olo we couldnt use the forum at all.
If the soft wear gets it wrong we had no time to check it.
Either read it or dont but stop your nasty bitching.

Some people are giving a even more clear picture as how things are handled given personality problems which is the most common cause for nothing happening to make changes.

The answer to the live trade as I have told you before is simply big players to dump big investments into plants over here.

Rudd seems to be tripping over himself however to support those with vetted interests like AWB Elders . There are many others.

As he banks on China? He really hasnt got a clue.

Kevin Rudd mislead the public regarding live exports and he will contiune to mis lead the public about many things.

IMOP They gave him once chance only. I dont think he will be re elected and we know Live Exports will be very much up as a political number 1 to 4 next time round.

Lyn White investigations made the Government look like fools.


The Rudd Government wont last and cruelty to animals will very much be a number 1 to 2 political topic.
Good Riddens to bad rubbish might make a good logo.
We look forward to seeing the back of Rudd asap.

Mind you some though he was a good choice?

*Neuroscience is a highly complex and multi-faceted field of which endocrinology is just one element*

Yup, but this website will make it easy for you :)

http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/neurok.html

*But perhaps you will agree that we are also products of
our genetics, our environments and other factors*

Well those other factors are considered part of the environment
which you mention. So its down to nature/nurture, what % of each is
highly debated. Twin studies tend to reveal a bit more on that one.

*And anthropomorphism is the term you're looking for, I think.*

Science tends to use that term, but I prefer to use terms that many
people can relate to more easily, to keep it simple.

Also because I think that the principles go beyond that. I have to keep
on reminding people (like my mother lol ), that I see the world through
my eyes, not their eyes, so don’t really want to live their way, preferring
my way. In other words, what they think is good or bad, might not apply
to me or how I see the world. So its not just about a difference between
species, which is what anthropomorphism is all about.

*No, I haven't condemned the transport industry as a whole*

Ok, we now have it on record. I will remind you of that, when you forget
it in the future.

Another interesting URL for you:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080229171609.htm

PALE&IF: << If we had to sit and type each post by hand on olo we couldnt use the forum at all. >>

While that would indeed be a loss to us all, I wasn't aware that PALE&IF had a physical disability in addition to the more obvious ones. Are they using voice recognition software?

<< If the soft wear gets it wrong we had no time to check it. >>

You mean, you couldn't be bothered? Little wonder nobody wants to work with you.