PALE. please tell your "lawyers" to "go knock themselves out". Vexatious litigants rarely win sympathy in any courts in the country, but I'm sure you would know that. For one thing, you have to have grounds and standing to bring an action, so I shan't be losing any sleep over that.

You can't post any information about achievements because there haven't been any. Having someone in the Middle East attached to the Australian government seems to have provided little, particularly in comparison with what Animals Australia has done. Not to mention the most obvious fact that he working to the Australian government's agenda. of course which makes him pretty worthless. If AA can put their investigation outcomes on their website why can't you (f they indeed exist?)

I have no idea what has been going on the background or what "damage" has been done by whatever intervention Hugh Wirth has started, nor did I ever say I was happy with him being the "spokesperson.

Nicky

Suzzanne
pale clearly have led the way and Hugh and others now wants to jump in a take the credit for our hard work.

If thats all he wanted it wouldnt worry us so much be I dont trust Hugh as far as I can kick him.

As I said hes had twenty pluss years to do what we have done. So has peta and aa. AL or RSPCA National.

Also Suzanne the fact is the lawyers your going on about are not just lawyers but hard working members as well.

I think its fantasic a group got together and decided to do something to help animals. Nobody was protesting live exports before we started and thats a fact.' When your friend at AA was contacted years ago she said they didnt do live exports because it was too political and to call green peace.


Unlike aa and al and rspca and wspa staff these people are unpaid.

If pale only went door to know talking to the public about intensive farming and live exports I think that would be good.

However they do far more than that. Ask yourself why you hate people who work hard for animals full time unpaid.

The woman who did the two years in ME working for the Government also gives lectures on a regular basis at our invatation and has assisted at 'many meetings' with Muslim Reps from overseas.

However the TRUTH is we sure could have got a lot more done by now if AA had of been prepaired to help.

Speaking of lawyers I do believe one called Glenyse last week.
So we hope they are now happy to assist in the WA matter.

The Animals need everybody working united.

"The Animals need everybody working united."

Very true Pale. What they don't need are those who, like yourself, work both sides of the street. Defenceless sheep, cattle etc don't need those who, motivated by self-interest, fawn and crawl - servile self-seekers endeavouring to win favours by flattering those whose snouts are in the trough.

To further ingratiate yourself with live exporters, you now resort to whacking genuine animal welfare agencies.

Simply put, your motives are to share the same fruits of the poisoned tree as the rampant plague of inhumanity which trades in live exports.

I find you a great disappointment Pale and like all duplicitous double dealers, you appear not to flinch from an opportunity to scheme, however sordid or demeaning.

Please spare us any more of your fake morality.

Dickie
I understand you have been brain washed over the years and I have gone to great lenghts to take that into account.
However how dare make such judgement about our motives.
] I will tell you what our motives are. They are to get to the bottom of why nobody has been allowed to move in the area that makes the REAL difference.
You say Ban Live exports and I couldnt agree MORE.
To do that you must offer both the farmers and the buyers - pluss the lazy irresponsible corrupt Governments a REAL alternative.
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There is only ONE WAY of doing that Dicky and its to deal direct with ME buyers and farmers to reopen plants in Australia.
You cant go on collecting donations from the public showing sad pictures to do what? Come on Dicky To Do what?
Do you want to faze out this barbaric trade?
If you do we are the LAST people you ought to be attacking.
Use your brains and think about it.
As for our motives! they are and always HAVE been to0 work at the answer to the problem NOT just highlight the problem as other have for twenty years pluss whil its trippled!
Have a nice day and THINK about the answer!

"You cant go on collecting donations from the public showing sad pictures to do what? Come on Dicky To Do what?"

Pale - stop the spin, please. Millions of viewers and readers around the world have witnessed those "sad pictures" where the sordid truth has been exposed in Australia's livestock trade. Australia has lost dozens of trading partners and the boycott is rapidly expanding. Many individuals around the globe now refuse to buy garments made from Australian wool.

Live exports have been banned in the past - a result of AA's exposure (and "sad pictures") of the heinous practices here and in the Middle East. AA and its supporters happen to be committed to something beyond themselves.

Many citizens are now sickened at the sight of the dead flesh in the decaying process, sitting in styrofoam packs in supermarkets where they are sold for human consumption. These citizens now have information on the cruelty inflicted on these animals leading to the slaughter.

Granted there are obstructive forces which prevent justice for the these hapless animals - forces like the influential sheep and cattle barons.

Several of these traders have made Australia's rich list for 2008. They are members of an industry which torment and torture their livestock to ensure their parasitic profits are robust. These people are granted easy access to our sycophantic and ignorant governments.

As for PETA, they have millions of donors which allows them an annual multi-million dollar budget to employ over 200 staff. Are you actually suggesting that millions of ethical and compassionate donors have been "brainwashed?" These people happen to know right from wrong.

Wesley Batista is the largest meat producer in the world and he is investing in abattoirs in Australia.

I'm surprised you haven't been liaising with him where you could at least get your foot in the door and a slice of the profits without incurring overheads.

Who knows, you could work your way up the chain of command to become King-pin of Operations where you would see more animals slaughtered than you had ever dreamed of.

http://www.abc.net.au/landline/content/2006/s2208437.htm

http://www.smartcompany.com.au/Premium-Articles/Rich-Secrets/20080530-Rich-list-newbies-reveal-a-primary-trend.html

Dickie
We are all sickened and shamed by it and especially our Australian Governments lack of concern for Animals.
Its such a disgrace its almost unbelievable. There is no doubt that doing something- such as you have just posted IS helping highlight it.
We are NOT say AA and PETA have done nothing either.
All we are saying is we are sick of people like yourself and members of veggie groups rubbishing with a vicious attacks on us because we chose to attack it in a slightly different manner.
We are all working for the same end Dickie and this stupid anti pale attitude is somewhat annoying.
The reason we have live exports is because the Government along with certain National bodies drove it down that road in the first place.
Its amazing you protest Ban Live Exports and faze out to chilled while you all bend over backwards to also protest a group who are working to do just that. To actually get in there and MAKE it happen.
Absolutly Amazing!
Then you claim you guys are not the veggie gang( Nothing wrong with veggies either Dicky BUT that wont faze out live to chilled.
If you really understood the reason for this barbaric trade you would also understand why we are moving in that area.
I DO blame THAT on your leadership NOT you.
You either want them slaughtered HERE or for it to contiune. Make up your mind and btw not ONE cent of plants goes to us. ITS A "PROJECT "working with FARMERS and MUSLIMS Leaders. Read it again for goodness sake Dicky.