I stated before there is 'nothing wrong 'with a person BAR 'their intention'.

Its clear to everybody that you do not like pale.

Nor does the so called peak leaders? ( self appointed) animal liberation people Animals Autralia or PETA WSPA.etc
RSPCA National Hugh head of WSPA.


Lets for example look at pales MOU with Muslims Leaders dealing with Animal Welfare. It cleary states we work from head office to head office.

I mean thats a legal document that has been acted on for six years.

We kept asking Animals Australia and Hugh the president of WSPA to meetings but they declined.

Now however we get a letter rejecting again our latest offer saying- The Handle with Care WSPA whom Hugh is President of again decline your invatation to meet with Muslim Leaders however have decided to approach AFIC excluding pale.?

( Thruth is we heard well before that but wanted it in writing)

Umm, So heres the thing. Hugh doesnt seem to understand =what a MOU is.

That might go some way to understanding some problems in the past.

For WSPA to put AFIC or anybody else in such a difficult legal position to ignore the law is curious and concerning.

Especially when our groups has worked in conjunction with RSPCA QLD for many years.

I mean you would have to forgive people for asking what on earth is really going on with Animal Welfare in this country behind the public scene.?

You would wonder "why they wanted to shaft us" after we did all the work and lead the way if you were in our position too.

After all they were invited by pale for many years. Whats all the sour grapes for?

Is it only their egos and any funding- perhaps?

Or is it something more?

We are concerned enough by the behavouir of 'some' 'people'to call for an enquiry in animal welfare heads.

pale are very serious players with many lawyers who have put in enormous efforts working with Muslims leaders to improve animal welfare.
As we wspa- Handle with Care guys?

PALE&IF: << After all they were invited by pale for many years. Whats all the sour grapes for? >>

If PALE&IF's antics in this forum are any indication of their professionalism and networking ability, it's pretty obvious why any reputable organisation would be reluctant to be associated with them.

Nickysaid
But if this is an indication of how PALE "supports" the other groups, then it is fortunate that they do not rely on it in any way, and are more than capable of progressing their own initiatives without any "assistance" from you.

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Tuesday, 20 May 2008 7:28:06 PM
Pale comments
Ar, apparentlty not Nicky, otherwise why would they want to sneak in the back door to grab the credit and whatever else we achieved expecting Muslim leaders to disregard their MOU with pale.

They are 'fully aware' pale and AFIC have a MOU which is legal and binding document.

It doesnt say much IMOP about the credabilty and moral ethics of some.

First time others have stood up to them.

I really dont know because we are always too busy working for the animals to spend much time to worry.

You would know more about those things having dedicated 'most of your posts' to bagging others instead of really doing something to help animals.

We have made through olo offers to you to meet our lawyers and our Muslim Contacts. We were genioun with those offers. No not our Nicky shes too busy being loyal and forgetting this after all is about the animals.
Thatleaves you in my eyes with zero credabilty. imop your on olo to rubbish pale for your buddies.

Do try to get it through your head Yabbys a farmer not a shipping agent.
He HAS lobbied for plants (Slaughter houses0 to be reopended which is far more than YOU do.



What is important is that "everybody' put the 'animals first'.

That is what we do. Perhaps your lot should try it some time.

Oh and Nicky- Please remember this projects was established to stop live exports and fund RSPCA and AA.


Perhaps you could be helpful to the animals if we use your posts as an example of the types we "dont wont."

Sad = we know you care about animals- but Nicky your personality detroys your efforts.

More men involved and less catty women IMOP is part of the solution

Now here is a joke for all. We have a live importers giving awards to the exporter. Hilarious.

Still who else have these cruel bastards got onside- NOBODY.

BTW Muslim Leaders have told MLA they don’t need animals alive for religious purposes. So why are MLA saying the do on radio. Why ARE MLA challenging RSPCA.

. I think Rudd should step in and demand MLA and others stop interfering with the duties of RSPCA.

http://theland.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/livestock/news/article/773209.aspx

International welfare award for Australian live exports
20/05/2008 11:05:00 ARE
Australian farmers and exporters have achieved international recognition for their outstanding contribution to animal welfare, with livestock export industry body, LiveCorp, receiving the Animal Transportation Association’s (AATA) International Award at the AATA Annual Conference in Dresden, Germany.
The AATA, a not-for-profit association, dedicated to the safe and humane transportation of animals worldwide, presented LiveCorp with the International Award for its outstanding contribution to the welfare of animals in international commerce.
LiveCorp CEO, Cameron Hall, said international recognition of Australia’s commitment to animal welfare was a loud and positive endorsement of Australia’s livestock export industry.
“Australians should be proud that the strong partnership of the Federal Government and Australia’s farmers and exporters, through Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA) and LiveCorp, is receiving international applause for its ongoing and active commitment to improving animal welfare in Australia and in overseas destinations,” said Mr Hall.
“Australia is a world-leader in the live transport of animals overseas. We are dedicated to improving standards in the countries we export to through investment in training, education and development of facilities and infrastructure.


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"what do you believe govt covered up and on what basis?"

Contact Irene Moss Rojo but get yourself a brain first. If I knew of the precise issues covered up, I would have noted them.

"Australia had 355 laws with specific secrecy provisions, covering not only security and gaming but also wool, livestock, food and grain."

Four of the six areas which concerned Irene Moss were agriculture. This warrants cause for alarm particularly when she advised:

"The emergence of big public relations firms, used by both corporations and government to "spin" information, was also eroding access to information." So why does Livecorp and MLA come to mind?

This week the media (not the piggeries!) warned that pigs in six Western Australian piggeries had high levels of lead in their systems so how many consumers are now contaminated with lead? Heavy metals are bioaccumulative!

Rojo, please now comment on the following links I previously provided for you and which you continue to selectively ignore:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/18/2220876.htm

http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,23707538-3462,00.html

Nicky

Note how the Yabby continues to slyly resort to sexual innuendo? Bit scary eh?

And who listened to "Bob" on the ABC's live exports? The one with the crude accent? Blimey, it was enough to bring tears to one's eyes. He advised that fifty percent of WA's sheep are grown for export. Yabby errrr sorry, Bob then went on to warn if live exports ceased, communities would be devastated and the farmers would suicide. Eeeh by goom ....tharrrt's orfool!

"You both spend your 'whole olo lives' 'insisting' your not with any veggie groups. Then you continue to post 'word for word off their sites and policies for years like parrots." (Pale)

Pale. I also glean information from other sites - the Australian Journal of Mining, the Guardian, the National Toxics Network and a myriad of other informative websites of which I am not a member.

"Veggie" sites, as you describe them, offer very valuable information. Whether I am a member or not, is not your business and should not have you frothing at the mouth so why the catatonics?

Hi all

Yes, Dickie. But innuendo is perhaps a bit too kind; overt is more like it. Yabby has an obsession with hormones, and his aunties, from an earlier post. But I do recognize that he probably treats how own animals very well for as long as he lets them live. Rojo probably does too.

PALE, a few facts. Unless posters here are as thick as stumps, and I don't for a minute think they are, I think I have made my views of PALE's behaviour quite clear. Most people have, looking at other threads, but you do bring it on yourself with your rantings. I'd suggest that the "sour grapes" are on the part of PALE and no-one else - the rest of us, and the animal advocacy groups, seem to be functioning normally and professionally. Think about that.

Further, "Memorandum of Understanding" does not rate even a mention in the Macquarie Legal Dictionary or Butterworth's Legal Dictionary, however it is described by Wikipedia as:-

"a document describing a bilateral or multilateral agreement between parties. It expresses a convergence of will between the parties, indicating an intended common line of action. It most often is used in cases where parties do not intend to imply a legal commitment. It is a more formal alternative to a gentlemen's agreement". It would be interesting to know to what extent you think your MoU is legally binding.

So unless your MoU/s are framed as legally binding documents (contract - by your "team of lawyers") either side can opt out at any time. I hope you trust your Muslim friends to resist the evil infiltration by your "enemies", Hugh Wirth, WSPA, AA and everyone else whose lives you have made impossible. I suspect your "enemies" are well aware of that. Incidentally, to what extent has PALE "funded" the RSPCA and AA? I am fascinated by that.

Your MoU/s do not seem to have any perceivable outcomes either. What do they actually do? Simply attempt to prevent AFIC from entering discussions with any other organizations, or do they contain something a bit meaningful?

Nicky