PALE, as I have told you before, everyone I know who is working in animal welfare does so in their "spare" time outside of work and/or study (or other commitments), without payment, and all covering their (and often others') costs of doing so. I am doing all of those and have done for years. We all do it because we love animals. So please stop behaving like PALE has any exclusivity or monopoly in this regard (particularly in view of some of your earlier comment).

You are extraordinarily presumptuous to think that anyone would require "hints" from PALE in developing submissions.

I do not, and did not require any "hints" from you regarding submissions, I was able to develop two lengthy, high quality submissions of my own, as it happens, supported with my own photographic evidence, and scientific, legal and practical references. All in my (very limited) "spare" time and at my own expense too. And I actually sent two submissions. DID PALE submit one?

As for "defaming" PALE, you really should be careful about your use of that word. It's rather sad (and monotonous) that it is used every time someone criticizes you. In most jurisdictions, defamation has to be towards a "living person", for one thing. And usually any such statements must able to be proven to be be false and baseless.

"Fair comment" is just one defence against "slander" and "libel" and is something different entirely (Butterworths Concise Legal Dictionary). I believe that there is a matter of "public interest" here as well.

The "veggie groups", as you so condescendingly describe them, all promote on their website capaigns against intensive farming (in favour of free range, www.savebabe.com and www.freebetty.com to name just two) and a frozen meat trade (over live animal exports). They have been doing so for years, but it appears very much like you choose to ignore that so that you can promote your own slaughterhouse interests. And that is not "defamation". I really have better things to do with my time than delve too deeply into that sort of trivia.

Nicky

And one more thing. We STILL wait for some evidence of what PALE actually does in any definitive sense for animal welfare. All I can see is that PALE drives any potential animal advocates away in droves.

As for "trust me". you've got to be kidding.

Nicky

Nicky

They have been doing so for years, ..

Yes Nicky They have been doing that for years= Which is the whole point.
They are also free to continue doing that for many more years. Nobody is stopping them.

We decided to tackle the problem head on and promote co joint ventures with Muslim buyers and farmers.

So in effect your saying our approach is something that is hated.

That is despite saying on sites faze out live and replace with chilled.

Interesting that its a different story when people actually really try to put that into practise.
Thank You for pointing that out.

btw We dont do this in our spare time we work full time and we pay for it ourselves.



why do I feel somewhere in the middle of all this is a political joke.
Hows this for a logo in future for you.

Ban Live exports and ban anybody trying to have animals slaughtered here.

PALE, you are indeed fortunate to be independently wealthy enough not to have to work for a living and to fund your interests, unlike most of us, who have to accommodate what we care passionately about in the hours that we have outside of earning a living. Or are we talking about people on some form of unemployment benefits or pension, for which the rest of us are paying? And is PALE an incorporated organization with the tax breaks that go with that?

The point is, all you do is PROMOTE slaughtering animals. You do not appear to have made any active contribution to solving animal cruelty here, or overseas. And you have been doing that for years with apparently not much to show for it. Animals Australia managed to kick-start a world-wide campaign against the long distance transport of animals, and its investigators (some also provided by PETA and CIWF) not only invested large sums, but also risked their personal safety to achieve that, with the evidence they gained. Now they have made a landmark achievement in Jordan as well.

Animals Australia also persevered with, and may still be persevering with, the "Al Kuwait" case. The contribution of PALE's "team of lawyers" (are they "all" related to you?) was what?

You really cannot possibly claim a fraction of the achievements of the other groups, and whether or not they are vegetarian or otherwise is totally irrelevant. It just annoys you because you choose to advertise that you are not.

Do you really think mulesing would have ever got to public attention without PETA? Where was PALE?

Look at the work that has obviously gone into www.liveexportshame.com. PALE's website does not even come close.

So PLEASE tell us - exactly what DO you do for animal welfare? Just a little bit of evidence would do.

Nicky

If you want the subs email here=

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/

Pale seeks no tax breaks.
Its not one person either.

If you’re referring to me, held down two and three jobs throughout my life.
Once put my own property to ‘keep’ projects floating for Animal Welfare.

I still own an investigation company with almost ‘all’ those funds funding pale!
Speaking of our TWO year investigation!
http://www.livexports.com/eyewitness.html

Our Lawyers work VERY long hours then give up what little free time they have for Animals. How dare you!


What we have put in place is an ‘alternative’ to the cruel trade.

It would be clear to everyone bar you we would not have formed a group if we did not deeply care for animals.

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Nicky said
You really cannot possibly claim a fraction of the achievements …
Pale Replies
Oh for Goodness sake grow up. For once in your life put the animals before your own ego.

Nicky, Its you who have achieved nothing- other than drag Animal Welfare into the gutter with your bitching and complaining about farmers pale Muslims.

I would say pale has made a good contribution in a short time by introducing Muslim Leaders to work under mou`s for Animal Welfare in conjunction with RSPCA QLD.

mule sing
Pale replies
Nicky I have told you a `million times`- - wrong Sheep Wrong country-

Nicky said
Look at the work that has obviously gone into www.liveexportshame.com. Pale’s website does not even come close.

Pale replies.
Nicky how old are you? A web site means nothing in the real world grow up!
We are too busy doing things that DO matter so complain to Mohamed who was doing it but he’s busy too!



Its 'way down' the list I am afraid.

However Yes! Dawn Low did a great job and passed it over to Suzanne Caz and AA isn’t that right Suzanne.

Nicky said

So PLEASE tell us - exactly what DO you do for animal welfare? Just a little bit of evidence would do.

Pale Replies
We could ask you the same question.?

Farmoline today=
Insight into China's massive red meat market
MARK PHELPS IN BEIJING
28/05/2008 5:47:00 PM
Australia's red meat industry has launched its most significant push to date into the booming Chinese red meat market.

A delegation led by Meat and Livestock Australia (MLA) has met with more than 140 importers and retailers during the course of a 10-day visit.

The delegation represents more than a dozen prominent Australian meat processors and exporters.

It also includes Cattle Council of Australia representative Hamish Munro, a cattle producer from Cumnock.

MLA regional manager for South East Asia and China, Glen Thompson, said the market currently was 99.99pc supplied by domestic Chinese cattle.