Nicky, the reason to quote the first website, was to show that even you can learn
about neuroscience. Even if you think that it is highly complex as you claimed,
\that complexity can be broken down into steps of simplicity. There are in fact
a huge amount of links from that website, in order for you to educate yourself
about the topic.

The point of the second website was to show that indeed science is studying the
differences between male and female brains and that your original scream of
“sexism”, in fact had no merit.

Of course there are some generalisations and always exceptions, we know that.
Its like saying that on average, men are taller then women, but there will always
be some very tall women and very short men.

The point is, on some things males in general (apart from exceptions of course)
behave in different ways to women and questioning which of those differences is
genetic and which are caused by environment, are valid scientific questions.

Hi all

Yabby, if you recall, I did say that human behaviour can be fetermmined to different extents by genetics, environment (and other factors) so you have no argument from me there. It's just your implications of intellectual superiority/inferiority based on gender that I object to.

PALE, to return to the original subject matter of this thread, have you in fact prepared a submission in relation to these proposed Standards/Guidelines? Do tell. Did you use your VRS? Why not post some of it here as a "guide" for those who would like to make a contribution. But only if it contains some useful, properly referenced material and not emotional outbursts please.

Cheers
Nicky

Hi all

I seem to have silenced everyone on this thread, even PALE. Perhaps it was the question about whether they had lodged a submission in relation to these Standards/Guidelines, something I thought particularly relevant since it was PALE which started this thread.

Come on PALE, the submission date of closure is not until Tuesday, you still have time to help us all out. Or perhaps you haven't had time.

Cheers
Nicky

We were requested not to post until others looked at the comments.

Your not interested in what we lodged now or before.

If somebody wants to ask who is serious we are happy to repond.

I think its clear to everybody your only interest is to troll pale as you have done for over a year.

We started this thread to encourage members of the public to lodge something.

Being in conjuction with RSPCA QLD you would already know that it would be done through there.

Although and heres something for you all if your quick enough to pick up on it- The last time Ikabel and I worked into the small hours of the morning to lodge something- I was informed that the National branch simply lodge something on behalf of everybody.

So why dont you ask your new buddy what he lodged when he was President or what he oversaw.

He has NO IDEA of the trouble he has created!

Regarless all codes are only recomended which is 'why' we decided not to bother about being a stake holder etc.

If anybody else would like to see the old subs put together Please ask
Anybody other than Nicky that is

Hi all

I think most of those interested enough would have looked at the 2003 submissions, as irrelevant to the subject matter as they were. Who is the "new buddy" you have attributed to me? You need to be more specific when you accuse this person, whoever he is, of causing damage. Do you mean damage to your slaughterhouse project "on the "never never"? The project that was going to end live exports? Eight years ago?

I suggested you put up or shut up - and you've shut up. You started this thread giving a clear indication that ANY interested parties should contribute, and claiming credentials in animal welfare. ALL Codes of Practice/standards/guidelines are recommended only. This was an opportunity (if you had been able to put together a coherent submission) for you to have had influence, yet you didn't or couldn't do it. Shame on you.

Says it all, doesn't it?

I assume that you mean by "trolling" following PALE's posts. While to date I have found the posts of others far more intelligent, coherent and interesting, tonight I found some old ones of PALE. The free-range pig farmer you accused me of alientating had enough of your threats on the "Animal Welfare" thread started by "Scout", as did the "Free-Ranger". And you accuse the other animal advocacy groups of being "extreme". You drive people away from the cause in droves. As for your "support" of other groups, here is a (largely unintelligible) partial quote from that (Animal Welfare) thread:

"I am Tied of PETA too.!I agree its for their own little agendas.

I am tied of Animal Liberation . I am tied of Animals Australia.
I am tied even of PACAT ....

"Like You I know People Who are and Have worked Behind The Scences.
Do you think its fair that Animals Australia self appointed themselves as the so called Federation Umbrella of Animal Welfare in Australia? ha?"

I am fighting Against Peta Against The Extemem groups for the farmers and Animals" (sic throughout).

What a FRAUD you are!

Nicky

Nicky
I dont think there is much chance you will listen to me but trust me your really not helping the animals with your constant attack on pale.
I told you before there is nothing wrong with people- bar their intention.
Now I am sorry but your intention seems to be beyong everything else to attack pale.
We are just as entiled to work towards fazing out of live animal exports as everybody else.

Now you dont have to like our method and you dont have to like pale either.
If you had your way its clear pale would exsist no more.
Ok lets take a look at that speaking of intentions.

Regarless of what different people are doing to improve animal welfare isnt it better to have people working for the animals than nothing.

We dont get any funding and what we do comes from our hearts out of our love of Animals.

We pay a lot of money OURSELVES to help animals.

We know we have to answer or at least one of them and if we needed a 'written doc' I think its clear by the actions of some they agree.

The extreme groups have done good but also a bit of damage. We are main stream not veggies with many veggie members.

Thats because they can see its best to improve what we can for now and not protest about people eating meat.

That is their choice and we would encourage you to put your efforts into something far more helpful for the animals.
In your hast be defame us you missed the biggest hint I dropped you into subs for codes of practise.
Why not go back and re read it and pick up from there and run with that.
It would be the very best thing you could do if your really mean you wish to help animals.