While we dont agree with live exports i think its important we understand the position farmers have been placed in by State Governments along with Federal.
Yabby and myself could argue until the cows come home- I wish.
However lets look on the other side of the argument.
He isnt a fan of intensive farming.
He hasnt said he is against more Abattoirs being built. In fact I think he said he has been quite vocal about that to the WA Government.
I am sure there are plenty of farmers who would jump at the chance to sell their stock to be slaughtered locally given the chance.
Sure they might not post on OLO but deep down they might reckon its the right thing to do.
However there are few options especially in WA.
So here are our clear options.
We either force the State Government to get off their arse- OK Impossible.
OK We bring in the investors ourselves to do their job for them
If we dont help these free range farmers by getting some compertion they will all be replaced by big compaines and all be stuck in feed lots.
I just think its counter productive to pass the buck back to farmers.

Lets get some plants build and value adding happening. Thats the only answer to live animal exports.

btw. Yabby has given all a chance to debate this and tossed in quite a bit 0f information.
Please consider- and before you start NO I dont agree with his ideas that a few dying that way is ok

Hi all

Go Dickie! Good on ya! Did you have a four-legged companion? I went once with a pig, with whom we also visited various other venues. Those news stories were very telling, weren't they, particularly the recency.

Yabby, my point was - since you are so aware of the capacity of all animals to suffer, how can you possibly justify what you do to them? You give them a pre-determined few months of relatively normal life, thinking that makes if "okay", then expose them to terrible suffering. Transport across the country under all conditions, live exports ... the list is endless. Why do you not, for example, farm and otherwise brutalize dogs and cats as the Koreans and the Chinese do? Or do you have no problem with that because it makes the "starving multitides" a quid? Are those animals better never to have been born? I think so. Where is the "line in the sand"?

There is absolutely no difference, cruelty to one species is the same as cruelty to others. That includes "farmed" animals and animals used in laboratories and in so-called "entertainment" (circuses, rodeos, etc). Cruelty and suffering mean just that, cruelty and suffering.

THAT'S what you people cannot seem to get your heads around. Instead of bitching about the lack of processing facilities (slaughterhouses) in WA, DO something about it.

BTW, what makes you think I work in an office? You have no way of knowing what I do or where I do it.

Cheers
Nicky

Hi again all

One more thing. It is too easy to blame State (not that they have a great deal to do with it except in WA, the rest just turn a blind eye because they can) and Federal governments and the AVA.

If the farmers did not deliberately breed (over-breed?) and supply the animals, there would be no trade. Let's be absolutely clear about this; it's about greed at many levels.

It's also about the morals of the people who supply the animals, in the full knowledge of what will happen to them (and that nothing will change that, despite Yabby's and Rojo's oft-quoted mantra from the gospel of MLA) as much as those who facilitate the process in one form or another.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky said

THAT'S what you people cannot seem to get your heads around. Instead of bitching about the lack of processing facilities (slaughterhouses) in WA, DO something about it.

Pale Comments
With utter discust.

This is beyond the pale. We have done something and been baqgged for it by all you libbers.
We have invited all of you to assist us in reopening Slaughter houses not only in WA but Australia wide!

Your response or your lots reponse was to black list pale. Names such as Animal Killers etc came flowing thick and rich. You yourself have accused us of similar on this thread on many occassions.

Again I refer to all 'those' letters which clearly read.

Dear pale we can not be involved with anything to do with reopening Abattoirs. etc

Then you have the cheek to say why dont you DO something about it.

We are Nicky and we have done many things towards this that you couldnt even begin to comprehend.

You lot had years to assist the Animals in this way.

Now your buddies want to jump on board and are working behind our back trying to destroy our efforts.

The question IS what makes you lot tick.

As I said for years we have told you all we must reopen the plants.

The fact is we have requested over and over again for others to also DO something and not just leave it to us.

So why dont you DO something instead of bagging farmers Muslims and the only group who has been DOING something?

dickie,dickie,dickie,
sorry to have ruffled your feathers so badly but really my 7 year old has more convincing displays of mock indignation. Did I miss a reference to the Canadian diagnosis in question?

Now you're infering more potential govt conspiracies? You of course are assuming that "suppressed" evidence is supportive of your argument- works both ways.

BSE and vCJD are certainly interesting topics. Clearly the incidences of vCJD are declining, though with an undefined incubation period cases will eventuate for years to come. I think the concern should be on the chances of new infection, which appear slim by any stretch of the imagination. With the total number of cases of vCJD remaining below 200 worldwide so far, I won't be losing too much sleep about it. Not when you think of say AIDS having claimed a reported 20 million lives, with no link to cattle or sheep.

Zoonotic diseases have a huge pool from which to emerge, and indeed are a concern. From memory humans are affected by a fraction of one percent of the pathogens in the animal kingdom.

So is it the lack of fibre or the red meat that is a risk factor for bowel cancer? Lack of exercise?

digiwigi, what exactly would you expect people who choose to visit the RSPCA site to vote for?
I wonder what the reponse would be if the question was: "Would you give $10 per year to end live exports?"

Nicky, if there was demand for cat and dog meat on a commercial level we would be able to export our feral cats and wild dogs at a profit instead of leaving them where they drop( or the ritual for some of hanging them up).

"If the farmers did not deliberately breed (over-breed?) and supply the animals, there would be no trade."
There's an enlightening statement, but the reality is they use their resources to the best of their abilities to make a living. If you wish to change this you have to supply an equivalent alternate income, or buy the land and do what you want with it.

digiwigi,

Hi there Thanks. We were not ignoring your post or the ABC talk on line just wanted to wait for some further info as a result of that before posting.
When I was talking to Heather last week ashe said this Government were more interested to stop live exports and thats not the way I see it at all.

I think the Rudd Government have gone out of their way to avoid having it put to them pre election by the public. They planned to present a different face as their pre election pitch then just dump the spokes person and carry on with their agenda to expand the cruel live export trade.

$10.00 to Ban Live exports?

Umm, well Rojo I am sure people would pay that if only it were that simple.
Mind you I suppose if they put that funding reopnening slaughter houses here in Australia then it might do a lot of good.

I will put it up as a suggestion to Muslim Leaders and see if they cant help to match it dollar for dollar through their brothers and sister who also oppose the cruelty of the live animal trade.

Rojo I cant say I agree with the statement about over breeeding for many reasons. I will try to catch up on in our next post.

However I do agree with people buying land- and lots of it.

Lot of free range land so animals dont have to live in intensive farms.
I think that would be a positive thing for All Animal Welfare Groups world wide to donate to along with public.

At least that way the public could see they were really making a difference with their donations.

Just imagine the good we could do with some of the funding from peta rspca AL Voiceless for example. Just mentioning some of the bigger ones for now).

Wow, Yes that would make a huge difference to stop intensive farming


Rojo catch up with you re over breeeding next post.

Interesting days at the moment.