"Now you're infering more potential govt conspiracies?"

Rojo

How you continue to manipulate the facts, twisting and turning them to support a sickening and immoral industry.

My seven year old grandie could see that it was not I inferring more "potential government conspiracies." There ARE government conspiracies! My provision of two investigative articles were written by Irene Moss, former chair of the Independent Commission Against Corruption and two Academics at the University of Western Australia - both independent of each other. Did you believe these were MY investigations? I reiterate, please keep both hands on the keyboard.

Furthermore, you may continue to downplay the continuing emergence of zoonotic diseases - that is to be expected since the livestock industry couldn't care less about the global emergence of zoonoses - SARS, Ebola, Avian flu, BSE etc. Profits are the bottom line.

And now that you have become an expert on Zoonoses, banging on about AIDs, have you considered that all HIVs are derived from simian species? The source of human AIDs, however, continues to baffle the experts. Nevertheless, it is a human infectious disease of animal origin and I am reasonably well read on the theories of the origins of AIDs - theories which I will not bore other posters with at this stage.

However, zoonoses is a result of humans' abominable treatment of animals and intensive farming. This treatment you continue to endorse. Please, could you warn Yabby about his association with Willy the wether?

Pale

Your posts are becoming more incoherent - more unreasonable. Luckily Nicky appears to be made of strong stuff to endure all your petulant retorts. People who seek unconditional justice for defenceless animals have to be strong to withstand what you are dishing out. They will not compromise their principles by assisting you in your commercial ventures.

Why don't you and your Muslim associates take out a loan to establish your slaughterhouse?

You wont find any investors on this thread - though you could dangle a large lucrative carrot at Yabby and Rojo - you know - a big whack of all the profits?

Cheers

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/news/content/200805/s2248671.htm

By the way Rojo. Do you and the Yabba like apple sauce with roast pig?

Hi all

PALE (YAWN!) I reiterate that I have never "blacklisted" anyone, nor encouraged anyone else to do so. It seems ironic that they have all come to the same conclusions about PALE, though. Nor have I ever made a comment in relation to "animal killers" - but you do, in every post. Read Dickie's post (thanks, Dickie! It's nothing I haven't seen/read before, to the point where it induces terminal inertia) if you won't take it from me.

You consistently show a conflict of interest, between your directorship of a COMMERCIALLY BASED slaughtering outfit (which does not actually appear to be operating anywhere) your claims of "working for animal welfare". If your way was the way, it would got somewhere by now, but oddly, we hear nothing of actual achievements in terms of real animals WELFARE. Just "help us open slaughterhouses". For God's sake, why would any thinking animal advocate do that? Think about it. I couldn't even begin to imagine why PETA, AL or AA would consider giving PALE money. As Dickie suggests, if your Muslim friends (if they still exist on PALE radar) are as committed as you claim why are they not throwing money? Have you also burned your bridges with the RSPCA? If the others have gone in and made inroads, good for them, You appear to have got nowhere with your totally unreasonable attitudes.

And look up "disgusting" (just backing up Dickie's comment about incoherence).

If your posts on these forums are any indication of the professional standards of PALE then I'm afraid I'm not surprised that no-one apparently wants to be tarnished by them. I don't know about everyone else, but I begin to suspect that PALE constitutes one person, whose degree of coherence varies according to the time of day the post is written. I said I wouldn't respond to any further posts from you, and will attempt to make this my last.

Rojo, you confirm my suspicions that you are of the thinking that every creature on earth is for human exploitation, the degree of cruelty notwithstanding.

Cheers
Nicky

*I went once with a pig, with whom we also visited various other venues.*

Sheesh Nicky, there you claim that animals should live as naturally as possible, then you drag
them around like a circus performer. Luckily none of my animals have to put up with that kind
of nonsense, they live naturally and do natural things. Not a collar or chain in sight.
Clearly you don’t practise what you preach.

*how can you possibly justify what you do to them?*

What do you think I have done, that I can’t justify?

*then expose them to terrible suffering.*

When did I expose them to terrible suffering?

*If the farmers did not deliberately breed (over-breed?) and supply the animals, there would be no trade*

Firstly Nicky, I don’t breed lol. I just take your advice, don’t apply any rings to my ram lambs and by the time they are 4-5 months, they are banging their aunties. All rather natural lol. I sell the surplus of
my livestock, to prevent the others dying of starvation, for as you know, populations have to be sustainable. Animals and even some women, have huge instinctive drives to breed. One of my girls
in the pet flock, broke out and jumped 2 fences to get to be with her boyfriend. Some of you girls are
no different, when on heat and wanting babies :)

*Instead of bitching about the lack of processing facilities (slaughterhouses) in WA, DO something about it.*

Ah Nicky, you don’t seem to understand what the role of being a primary producer is. We don’t own
bakeries or breakfast cereal companies. We rely on you largely lazy suburbanites, to do more then
just trade houses with each other and value add our primary products. If you are too lazy or stupid,
we find another market. If you don’t like the markets they are going to, find another market for
us, which pays market value. Farmers have to pay their bills, like everyone else does.

*BTW, what makes you think I work in an office? You have no way of knowing what I do or where I do it.*

You are of course correct Nicky, for I can only judge you by what
you have told us. So far its been that you sometimes teach students
and sometimes correct the papers which they write.

I made the mistake of presuming that you might correct their papers,
sitting in your office. I could well be wrong, you might well be
sitting on your toilet, as you do your work.

With you vegans, anything is possible lol, so I take nothing
for granted and if I did, then its clearly my mistake.

You will be as eccentric as you choose to be, fair enough.

That does not however change the basic premise of the argument.

Hi all
Yabby, thanks for bringing me back on track. What IS the argument? I don't actually work in, or especially on, a toilet. I do have an office, but that does not mean I work exclusively in it, I do lots and lots of things in lots and lots of places. As for the pig(let), surely you know that they thrive on social contact as do dogs. She was absolutely fine, no stress, and only "visiting" for an hour or so at a time (especially when the (four, no less) security guards at a shopping centre got edgy with us, telling us we couldn't have dogs there. We had to point out that it wasn't in fact a dog, but luckily we were ready to leave at that point anyway).

As for what you do, it was you who said you truck animals across the country, send them to slaughterhouses (do us all a favour, if you MUST do it send them to PALE!) and put them on live export ships. If the proverbial cap fits...

As for banging your auntie, I'm really disturbed to hear that. Is it common amongst the esteemed farming community in WA? Sounds like you all need help.

I never got that urge to breed (how lucky is that?). I saw childbirth on television and decided it wasn't for me. Absolutely no dignity, my sister, who did, tells me.

Cheers
Nicky