Hi again all

Yabby, you may have "30 years experience working with livestock", but you totally fail to grasp that a sheep and a dog have the sane sentience and capacity to suffer. THAT is the bottom line. And you don't need to be a vet to know that. BTW, do you mules them yourself or get someone else to do the dirty work?

It is a pretty picture that you present, the ewes and lambs grazing, but if there were a few extra bucks to be made, would you not be using intensive systems (such as those used for ultra-fine wool)? Bet you wouldn't give it a second thought.

Your ewes and lambs also will not live to anything even apporoaching a normal life-span, they will be hauled off to slaughter, or live export, in a second. Their blood is on your hands.

Cheers
Nicky

Yabby said

The ever growing human
Population is our no 1 problem, until we start to get real about dealing with that,
You can forget the rest.
Pale=
Yes I agree but it’s hard to know where to attack it. What I meant about people Yabby was just why they are here at all.

I mean if they have such large brains you would have thoughts they could do it a lot better.


Human nature is not as nice as your sheep in the paddock or my horse’s cow etc.

If I walk into my pantry at 2am in the morning to get something sweet to keep me awake while I catch up on something my little lorry will know as soon as I touch it.

I can get anything else and she won’t worry and simply remains asleep.
There is no way she can see it or hear the place is huge, but she knows anyway.

I suspect we people only think we are smarter. We are destroying our own world.

As for Catholics they were not as smart as Mohamed. You have got to admit making food a major part of religion and law all in one was pretty smart.

It’s disappointing to see the same old comments from the extreme.

You know I hate live exports but for God sake wouldn’t you have thought people would have by now learned to attack the government both fed and state and the live animal shipping agents but bend over backwards to work with farmers instead of bagging them and the Muslim people who buy them for ME.

There is a place in USA where they used to breed cattle free range and slaughter by walking them down the road slowly daily.

Its just seems better and I can’t see why we can’t do that here. Better product and far more tender while saving heaps on transport.
WA I hope will soon have a new player.

Whatever happens at the end of the day we need to value add in Australia.

*Catholic numbers are declining.*

Numbers are declining in the West, as more and more tell the RCC to get stuffed.
Not so in Africa, where they can still prey on the uneducated and gullible.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3147672.stm

Read the transcript link. The last pope was a fanatic.

*I'm reluctant to knee
the wrong jerk.*

Ok, so a more complete picture emerges. Dickie is clearly a violent old battle-axe!

*but you totally fail to grasp that
a sheep and a dog have the sane sentience and capacity to suffer.*

Where did I deny that sheep are sentient or can suffer? My point is that you make
exactly the same mistake that most people make. You try to judge their situation through your eyes and perceptions of the world, rather then try to understand how
they view the world and their perceptions of it. Dogs, Nicky and sheep have quite
different perceptions, as they are different species, driven by different instincts.
That is the bottom line!

If there were an old dead sheep in the bottom of your garden, you would hold your
nose as you walked past it. Another sheep would basically ignore it, your dogs would
either try to chew a bit of it or roll in the remains, rub that smell all over themselves
in delight! Different species means different perceptions. (unless of course you want
to go and roll in old dead sheep carcasses ) :)

*Bet you wouldn't give it a second thought.*

Bet you are wrong, it shows how little you know about farming and farmers. It’s a constant accusation that farmers face. Focussing too much on the lifestyle and not enough on the bottom line. That is why corporate farming is moving in and will
eventually take over large sections of Australian agriculture.

Hi all

Yabby, behaviours, perceptions and capacity to suffer are vastly different characteristics. Even you must see that.

The "violence" Dickie is offering is far less than that you visit upon your animals, too.

Cheers
Nicky

Yes Nicky, they are different, but they are also related. Understanding the differences and also the relationships,
is where experience matters. That is where you get it so
wrong, mainly out of ignorance.

As for procedures performed to livestock, I remind you that it is
in the interest of farmers for their livestock to thrive.
Things are not done just for fun, but out of experience suggesting
that its the best thing to do and that the livestock will benefit.

No different to moms taking their kids to the dentist, no matter
how much they hate it.

Dickie on the other hand, is clearly a violent old battle-axe,
because she simply does not understand these things. Working
in an office all your life, does not teach you them either.

Howdy Cowboy

Ah've jist flown in from the Million Paws walk and boy ah mah arms tard!

And I see you've been creating more mishief during my absence.

"Things are not done just for fun, but out of experience suggesting
that its the best thing to do and that the livestock will benefit."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/04/18/2220876.htm

http://www.news.com.au/mercury/story/0,22884,23707538-3462,00.html

Seems there's no end to the "benefits" you and the other primitive stone-pounding troglodytes provide for the animals is there?