PALE, I suspect ...

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Then perhaps its time the advisory group took that to task with everybodies support.
As I said there would be NO LIVE EXPORTS if AVA didnt sign off on it.

We have asked for years to have a national petition for all vets to sugn.
Mind you many Vets are fearful of AVA who operate in their own secret manner.
Remember the Government have always said AVA vets etc.

This is how the Government get away with it. AVA are very jumpy people.
Those vets woulnt be scared as all if they saw them through my eyes.

Which reminds me! Time I made letters to look at hkm to AVA public.

Interesting as people who swore their alligence to animals, nobody is interested to discuss the possibilty of reopening slaughter houses throughout Australia eventually using gas.

Are these vets, or are they 'tools for the Government and Industry.

( We say plants because slaughter houses is very long}

Its meat industry slang. Its either reopen here or send them alive. we dont have a third option.

"I still say its the way to go".

"They `AVA` are all that stands between live exports and stopping it"

No AVA approval- No live exports.

Ask your friends - Why they dont rally outside AVA?

Say hello to Margret:) Although I think shes moved on to greener pasture. ( Not sure about that)

A few years ago they had a kid straight out of uni as president.

They only hold the position for one year and then its jumped like a hot cake to another youngster. Contact address are unlisted?

We have done what we can ( well not all) but it requires AA and others to target them as well.

Nicky Said
Hugh Wirth ...

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Be good brilliant clip to have if anybody can find it.

Its fasinated me you girls complained he was head of RSPCA but are happy to have him incharge of the World wide one?

PALE.
The comment column on the initial reference to The Land newspaper site you put up? The Land Your Say column wants ideas. Yet its only got four comments.

Hi all

PALE, the AVA does hold a certain infuence over live exports insofar as if it came out publicly and said it would not have its members being part of it, no AVA member vets could be (unless they resigned) - but there is nothing to stop AQIS "accrediting" vets from other countries. They only have to be accredidted by AQIS. not by the AVA. That is not to say that a decent stand from the AVA could not make a difference. But you're talking about people who make money out of animals one way or another including this one, so why would we expect any different?

I don't know who Margret (sic) is.

I haven't said I am happy about Hugh Wirth(less) being the mouthpiece of the world campaign, by the way, but it wasn't something I would have had any influence over. I found out about it all at the same time as the rest of the country/world did. Nor do I know how anyone else felt/feels about it and I don't have influence over whether or not anyone protests against the AVA either. If there are no contact details available I'd suggest that would be a bit of a clue though. Do they have an office, or just do business via teleconferencing?

So far as I remember, Wirth made that comment about the time of the Keniry Review.

Cheers
Nicky

* But you're talking about people who make money out of animals one way or another including this one, so why would we expect any different?*

You see Nicky, this is where your philosophy is so flawed. Just
because somebody makes money, does not mean that they can't be
informed and have an objective opinion. Flawed ideology can be
far more distorting then making a living. I remind you of the
number of people who are religious, yet don't make a living from
it. You are a typical case where flawed ideology limits your
ability to be objective in any kind of reasonable way. There
are a great many just like you.

Fanatics are fanatics, they don't need payment.

Hi all

Yabby, not true. Money will trump objectivity every time, and you know it. The real welfare of te animal will always be dependent upon its relative value, and you know that as well.

That is a matter of fact, not fanatacism.

Cheers
Nicky

*Money will trump objectivity every time, and you know it.*

Absolutaly not so, if you don't know it, then you are not the
brightest, or too biased to even understand that.

Take your example of vets. There are plenty of vets who earn a
living from being vets, who can express objective opinions about
animal welfare, which is far more informed and at least they are
qualified, unlike yourself.

In your own case, not only do you lack the qualifications, your
ideology prevents you from being in any way objective. So
your opinion is worth least of all.