Nicky

pale have long invited others to meet with Muslim Leaders working under our mou.


However instead of gaining by the knowledge and understanding pale and rspca qld have gained they want to reject our offeres but stomp in without any knowledge.
Very possibly destroying delicate programes without meaning to through ignorance of our six years working arrangments.

in 2003 Muslim leaders asked all groups to contact us as head office. That was in their sun Nicky and nobody bothered.

Only today we were informed - yet again of emails of requests to meet these people that we hold mous with without going through us.

Now 'again-' What were they told- They were told they held a mou with us and please feel free to make contact that way.

This is what they said in their 2003 sub the Animal Welfare enquiry=

We are sincere in our wishes further more to work more closely with our Australian Brothers in our Country Australia of which we are not only citizens but have grown to love. We our proud Muslim Australians reaching out to our Australian brothers and farmers to work more closely and tie to bonds of friendship and understanding that is so much needed in what can only be described as difficult times for all of us.
Islamic Concerns for Animal Welfare the Australian Farmers is real and we seek the Governments support to assist us to create thousands of jobs in regional areas while at the same time putting Animal Welfare as a top priority while supply healthy FREE RANGE Meats.
Please note we ask you to make contact with qld office under our mou.
( details at the bottom)

Nicky. This requires real players and real solutions not just protests for over twenty years.

Also why dont get on with doing your thing. We are cetainly not telling you how to operate are we.
You say your not a member of any organisation.

Honestly-? I dont believe you. Makes little difference to us either way.
You care for animals but you spoil it and thats a pity.

Pale
Encourages every member of the public to write a letter of complaint the the state and federal Governments protesting the waist of tax payers money and the silly and unreasonbale demands that public know their so called codes of practise and this farse of a system.

Of course the public want our animals fed and watered. However better still they would like to know that RSPCA recomendations to slaughter as close as possible to place of origen is the only thing we should be working towards.
These little political stunts may keep some people in well paid jobs.

However they do nothing what so ever to finding and demanding alternatives to be introduced as a matter or urgency.

*The point about not sending
Australian animals to these people to butcher is the moral position.*

Nicky, shooting oneself in the proverbial foot, is not moral, it is stupidity!

The moral position is to do something about the 12 million non Australian
animals, to not just ignore them, as you are doing. You people have not
even tried. Your flight and fight response is to flee. If farmers were as
defeatist as you are, about solving problems, none of them would be farmers
anymore. Innovative thinking is what this is all about, but your blinkers are
on. As I’ve explained before, its not money that would be required from the
animal libber movement.

Of course you will knock Tim D’Arcy’s idea, for at the end of the day, most
of you are vegans or vegetarians, preaching the evils of livestock farming.
Your flawed philosophy is in fact in the way of animal welfare in the ME.
But of course the blinkers do not budge.

I have news for you. The Saudis are about to invest large amounts of money
in livestock farming, in a number of countries, to guarantee their sources
of supply and price. Africa has huge potential for that and its only across
the pond, so I’d say that this is where they will go. By then, your chance
of influence, will be nil. In other words, a lose-lose situation

Hi all
Yabby, there doesn't seem to be much point in going over old ground again. Your industry has had 30 years to make these improvements, and absolutely nothing had, or would have been done had Animals Australia not exposed it so many times. They continue to expose the pitiful efforts being made and the lack of success, and, of course, as I've said, you have animal abusers "training" worse animal abusers. Do you really, seriously think that these people give a proverbial about ANY of the animals, Australian or otherwise? When abuses to animals from other countries have been filmed they've said "but they're not Australian animals". Now, what does that tell you?

PALE, you have no way of knowing how much knowledge or expertise the other group/s have, or what connections; you have already said that they will not enter discussions with you. They quite possibly feel that they have no need to draw on whatever knowledge PALE claims to have, and clearly have decided to choose their own path. They may, as I have said before, see something of a conflict of interest as well, since HKM is clearly a slaughtering concern through which money is obviously going to change hands if it gets off the ground. And as you do, they have the right to make any approaches they choose, they do not have to consult PALE. If it doesn't work it doesn't work, and they will have to find another way. But I'd have to suggest that your way hasn't worked either, for whatever reason. Not knowing who is doing what with whom, it doesn't matter to me who wins the war as long as someone does.

Cheers
Nicky

Hi again all
With regard to submissions in relation to the proposed Standards, of you do want to state the case for animals being slaughtered as close to their point of "production" (says it all, doesn't it?) you can express that in terms of maximum permitted journey lengths and insisting that these are properly enforced. You can quote the material from the RSPCA's website on that as reasonably authoratitive. My personal view is that no animal should be transported for longer than 8 hours, and that inspections should be every two.

Ideally, inspections should be carried out by trained police officers (who do carry firearms if that becomes necessary), but I doubt if we would ever get that through.

It should certainly not be at the discretion of the truckie, who, as well as knowing trucks better than animals, has an agenda to transport them for as long as he feels like it. He is hardly likely to stop because a few are down, injured or ill. As I understand it, the longest trips are undertaken with two drivers, or a change of drivers, and continue non-stop; I recently heard about sheep on trucks from WA to SA for over 60 hours without a stop for water or feed. This is the sort of behaviour that has to be stopped.

Just beware of using emotional statements in your comment, if you make it.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky
We have been requested by our Lawyers and members - and others not to have any further ongoings with you.

If you look at your comments for over a years they are flaming our organisation.
Our President and CEO are not only hardworking members but Lawyers.

That was our choice to put some men in and try to get away from the bitchy woman who like yourself destroy any good they fo by catty comments .

No its not on the web site because they are waiting to update it for our 'own reasons.'

Our organisations has clearly lead the way with forming mous with Muslim Leaders.

Your friends were invited to be a part of that 'many times'.



If we thought for one second they wouldnt totally destroy delicate operations we have been working on for a long time it wouldnt be a problem.
The truth is nobody outside ourselves and Muslim leaders both here and overseas fully understands the background of our work over six long years.

Now the reason pale was set up in the first place was the live animal export issue was getting worse with zero done.

As a matter of fact it was myself who first contacted Glenys who said _ no we dont do live exports - its too political to quote her- call green peace or animal liberation.



If they want to meet with us and be a part of this mou for animal welfare then they can contact us.

There has already been contact from some of them to Muslim Leaders "who informed them they held a mou with us." Then informed us.

So Nicky how about you mind your own business and remember each time you attack us your attacting two senior lawyers- who like me have had just about enough of you.