Again you blunder, Rojo. The matter of BSE and diseases in livestock is very relevant to this thread and I raised this topic during April 28. In addition, are you aware that nearly 75% of newly emerging human diseases are of animal origin?

This is not surprising when one learns that the livestock industry has been guilty of forcing herbivores to eat meat protein supplement -and not just infected sheep carcasses but processed chicken litter – a mixture of faeces, feathers and dead birds.

Human remains are also suspected of entering the feedstock responsible for BSE.

Did you realise Rojo that cattle and other ruminants are uniquely suited to eat grass yet apart from the drugs, chemicals and cannibalistic feed, you also insist on feeding them corn and soybeans?

Nor was BSE infected offal merely fed to cattle but also to pigs, chickens, sheep, pets and zoo animals. The fact that Australia escaped this dreadful tragedy is a matter of luck – certainly not ethics. But it's not over yet by a long shot.

Hopefully, this will bring to people’s attention, some of the methods in which the meat industry operates. You Rojo, and that industry have scant regard for consumers when the bulk of the current agriculture consists of large-scale agribusiness that relies heavily on the use of chemical biocides, antibiotics and fertilizers, as well as economic subsidies.

Massive biocide and antibiotic use is a failed policy perpetuated by agribusiness and the drug and chemical industry. These businesses value profits over human and ecological health. The more biocides and antibiotics are used, the more target organisms develop resistance to them.

Humans in turn are now dying from antibiotic resistant bacteria.

In the past livestock were fed diethylstilbestrol where human males developed breasts and females breast, vaginal and uterine cancers. Now the daughters of those victims are also at risk.

We consume chickens suffering diabetes and cancers but continue on pumping them with hormone growth promoters.

In Australia, CSIRO are further tampering with nature and experimenting with GM modified sheep and vaccines.

Contd.....

Rojo,

Yes I hear what you are saying and of course you have a point.

There is no need to be nasty Rojo and please know we are not idiots.

I also suppose its unfair the lump you in the same camp as MLA etc.
Have you ever considered how unfairly this has all been stacked up against the farmers?

My reason for asking people to identify them was to show us they were able to back up some of their comments.

You both go on about how wrong the girls are who post.

Then of course you take cheap shots at us but let me just ask you.

Are you really in a position to say we are talking rubbish.

Have you really ever tried to open abattoirs and see how the cards are stacked against the red meat industry - on purpose?
Don’t you think its lousy that the Government made changes on purpose to support live exports- then have the hide to blame it on the farmers?

Back then Farmers were just farmers. They went savvy enough to ask the right questions.

Tell me Room do you also support the member farmers of the ABA.
Don’t you think this industry and those farmers should receive the same help and support as the middle man involved in live exports?

Its all very well for you to claim MLA are not doing anything wrong.
I say from personal experience they are. I speak with direct knowledge.
If you wish to debate me then you must be in a position to claim the same.
That is why I say. Who are you?

Put your name behind your posts like mine.

It all comes back to credibility and sorry but if you won’t prove to me you have had hands on experience then I won’t really take your comments too seriously.

One million cases of salmonella in the US annually are now attributed to meat and poultry consumption.

And like yesterday's "experts" you think you know it all eh Rojo?

Nothing, it appears is sacred when it comes to exploiting defenceless animals. Companion animals from clinics, pounds, and shelters are being rendered and used as sources of protein in pet food. Dead-stock removal operations play a major role in the pet food industry.

Dead animals, road kill that cannot be buried at roadside, and in some cases, zoo animals, are picked up by these dead stock operations and sold to the pet food industry and subsequently the consumers who unwittingly feed it to their pets and then wonder why diabetes and cancer is now endemic in canines.

"This month, a Canadian woman was diagnosed with BSE"

Ah and the likes of you dare to call me a liar, Rojo?

Any fool, conversant with this disease would realize that I had made a typo – which should have read: “TSE.” Furthermore, I was endeavouring to be fair when I advised of only one victim in Canada where already this year, a total of 19 cases of suspected CJD have been reported through the Canadian surveillance system.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hcai-iamss/cjd-mcj/cjdss-ssmcj/stats-eng.php

And last month 2 more victims in Spain died from vCJD.

Some may think I am dredging up the past but in fact I believe I am dredging up the future since we are dealing with a disease predicted to continue emerging in animals and humans for decades and a brutal industry which continues conducting "business as usual." The Australian industry thumbs its dirty nose at the expert advice from WHO and the EU who warn that animals should be slaughtered as closely as possible to their places of origin, to protect our desecrated environment, the global spread of pathogens and an increase in zoonotic disease.

"either they can back up their claims/opinions or they can't."

Touche Rojo! Learn from that.

And when modern dehumanised man kills for food, the food will surely return the compliment!

Ah Dickie, that is why we do mostly freerange in Australia, consumers
are free to buy it!

Actually in one thing you are correct, in both the US and Europe,
they add all sorts of industrial waste to their stockfeed, but then
they are nations which you look up to. Not me lol.

It might be happening in Australia, I have never seen it. These
days, all stockfeed that I have seen, contains a list of ingredients.
Anything I feed my livestock, I need to keep records. Any worm
treatments, when, what, how much, WHP, etc. etc.

Yup, in Australia we feed ruminants grain, I don't have a problem
with that. They eat grass seedheads in the pasture and that is
all that things like oats are. If they are wild oats, or domesticated
oats, to me is not an issue.

The farmers whom I know, who finish livestock for market, use a
mix of grains and hay, some vitamin and mineral supplements, thats
it. They produce the hay and grain themselves, buy in the
supplements. Some use feedmill products, but even with those,
what is fed to animals is on the label. No industrial waste in there,
as in Europe or the US.

Perhaps you should specify which so called evils you attribute to
which country, for AFAIK, there is a huge difference.

dickie,

Why a case of single "TSE" case in canada is news worthy, given an expected incidence of 1 per million population would mean 30 diagnoses per year in Canada, makes it even more unlikely that you meant anything other than BSE. After all you've said it yourself, "relevant animal diseases". I would call that lying by implication, if indeed you didn't mean to directly.

"And last month 2 more victims in Spain died from vCJD". Last month? How's your accuracy- one did, one 3 months prior.
Total ever in Spain - 3. Dropping like flies.
I don't discount further vCJD cases it could well have a long incubation period, it's the chance of new infection thats changed with legislation on diet, animal age and specifyind cuts of meat that are able to be used.

Since I am a consumer of meat, and most farmers are (assuming they fall into line with the 95% or so of the population who aren't vegetarian)I'd suggest we do have regard for the consumer. We are consumers ourselves.
What I assess is risk, which appears slight in the chances of contracting vCJD. Even in the UK sporadic CJD out numbers vCJD 6 to 1, and it's a one in a million chance. The other diseases that come to mind are a product of undercooking and hygiene, something to which vegetarians are not immune. Salmonella included- wash those vegies.

cont'd

Bird Flue= warning

Shipping Fever and bird flu- A product of our own making through Animal Cruelty.
http://birdflubook.com/a.php?id=46
Stems from Animal Cruelty. As does intesive piggerys and long haulage of Animals

People need to World Wide Animal Welfare Organisations.





Stop this cruelty that is going to be the death of us ALL!

Shipping Fever and bird flu\ A product of our own making through Animal Cruelty.
http://birdflubook.com/a.php?id=46

The bushmeat trade is not the viruses’ only ticket around the world. More than 50 million live farm animals—cattle, sheep, and pigs—are traded across state lines in the United States alone every year, along with untold numbers of live birds on their way to slaughter.864 A pound of meat can travel a thousand miles “on the hoof” in the United States before reaching dinner tables.865 Live farm animal long-distance transport not only spreads disease geographically, but can make animals both more infectious and more vulnerable to infection.

The answer lies less in the DNA of our cows and pigs and more in our subsidized system of intensive farming and long-distance trading in animals which encourages infections.

There is a danger that genetic modification will be used to shore up this system by making farm animals better equipped to survive cramped conditions.

Indirectly, it could even help to spread disease susceptibility by encouraging farmers to switch from genetically diverse breeds to high-yield GM [genetically modified] animals drawn from a narrow gene pool.”1936

Biodiversity is biosecurity. Even the most virulent of diseases typically do not kill all infected individuals, in part due to natural inborn genetic variability.

In the wild, natural selection takes advantage of this variation to pass disease-resistant qualities to the next generation.

1937 The diversity in nature tends to ensure that some individuals will survive whatever comes along.

Artificial selection for production qualities undermines Mother Nature in two ways, by inbreeding unnaturally elevated egg production and fleshiness over fitness, as well as by reducing the genetic diversity that can act as resistance insurance against present and unforeseen threats of disease.