Is it rational debate to call Australian farmers NAZI?
It says something about debate on this issue that I deleted my first post on this subject.
Anzac day remembers many farmers who died fighting such some do not use self control when posting.
Those young farmers have every right to do as they wish hopefully while staying in touch with reality.

Pelican

Twenty two and a life on a farm with people who were not savvy enough to ask the right questions doesn’t cut it.

This fight actually has stuff all the do with farmers...

‘They’ were again’ used like pawns’ to fight the dirty fights of people like AWB and Elders.

Also where are the red meat and Abattoir Ambassadors?

Think about it.

This could just be the biggest mistake MLA and Livecorpe have ever made. It shows clear bias...

Many calls for an enquiry into MLA have been made over the years from red meat industry and other players.

On one occasion the heads were asked to resign by members.

If you leave Animal Welfare out of this and look at what’s behind it – ITS MLA and LIVECOURPE supporting ELDERS and AWB and others live exporters with – wait for it Government funding from the public purse.

Col Rouge
The name of “activism” ...
pale replies

Illegally? Col Don’t you know there ARE no Animal Welfare laws just codes that are unenforceable?

Don’t you know also RSPCA are the lawful authorities in Australia for Animal Welfare and RSPCA have lobbied for years and demanded the barbaric trade be banned?

Yes Col Rouge it would be nice if people respected the authorities.

RSPCA and ALL Animal Welfare organizations enjoy ‘strong public support’ along with ours.

Yabby.

What a load of rubbish! You know very well we are NOT veggies and we are involved in introducing overseas buyers direct to farmers and REOPENING abattoirs. See=
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

This is going to hurt like hell having an Animal Welfare organization working with overseas buyers and introducing them to grass roots farmers.

Already some farmers have tasted the rewards of cutting out the middle man and of course once we get our funding from MLA for the Ambassadors for the red Meat industry even more will join them.

Rojo Your 100% wrong. Personally I am "most comfortable" working direct with MLA on this issue. Believe it or not – this plays directly into our hands.

AN OPEN LETTER TO MLA Er, Campainge Organisor



Dear Yvonne Farrol 10.4.2008

As you are aware I requested details and figures of funding given under the program you are running.

I am referring to the young people allocated to 'promote live animal exports' for MLA. You call them Ambassadors.

My interests are of a commercial basis. However we are also concerned with young people being used to disrespect the RSPCA. I find that very concerning Yvonne.

As I explained to you by telephone HKM Halal Kind Meats have long lobbied MLA and Austrade and Regional and development grants for the same - as in 'equal' support for our projects.

We are requesting equal funding for six Ambassadors 'of our choice' to promote red meat projects especially in our regional areas.

We are happy to inform you we have MOUs with Aboriginal Elders and Muslim Leaders of Australia along with good relationships with much red meat industry

You refused to disclose the funds allocated to your project by telephone and requested I write to you.

I Wendy Lewthwaite request you disclose the amount of funding allocated to the project you are in charge of and note you stated to me you are very proud of and find exciting.

You went on to disagree with myself that this move was not in conflict of the projects run by RSPCA.

RSPCA have tirelessly campaigned against live Animal Exports because of the cruelty involved.

There have been no less than five separate segments on 60 Minutes regarding this issue. Also many other animal welfare groups have long protested the unnecessary transport of these animals.

As it happens however my interest and reason for contacting you is of one of equal and fair play between the industries.

I am director of Halal Kind Meats and require this information to further negotiate with the interested parties.

Please reply and disclose the full amount of funding under your project including Car, Phone, Travel, Clothing Hairdressers any other form of monies either paid directly or indirectly.

All advertising costs both here and overseas.

To Be Contiuned

continued
In other words the full extent of your budget allocated to this project
We are meeting with heads of Halal Meats and Muslim Leaders quite soon and your early reply is looked forward to.

Wendy Lewthwaite
Director
HKM
Halal Kind Meats

"Copy Only Of Reply"

Hi Wendy,



Thanks for your email. I’ll get back to you shortly.



Kind regards,



Yvette

For Any other red meat Industry workers or interested parties write to Yvette Farrell Communication Manager, Livestock Exports
Meat & Livestock Australia/LiveCorpLevel 1, 165 Walker Street
North Sydney NSW 2060Ph: 02 9463 9388Mob: 0416 189 775Fax: 02 9463208
Email: yfarrell@mla.com.au
www.mla.com.au

FYI-

Dear Yvette
Would you please let me know when I can have the answer to our question. With Respect you surley must know and I have to travel asap I would like to sort this out before our next meeting with members
Regards
Wendy Lewthwaite

With regards to ME and other countries, to which Australia exports 'shamefully' these 'land creatures' alive defying RSPCA and world wide Animal Welfare Authorities there is ample evidence of marketdistortions, particulally by the way of tafiff escalations.
There is overwhelming evidence available to illustrate the complex, wide reaching web of economic benefits that the meat processing sector brings to the Australian community and economy at large, particulary within rural areas.

Lets Tell The THRUTH about what contiunes to DRIVE the Cruel Live Animal Trade?
What are the economic forces at play that are making it increasingly difficult for the meat processing industry to remain competive and profitable against the live animal exporter sector?

WHY, given the increased demand for meat in South East Asia ( with is a mulity Trillion dollar Industry" has this HUGE opening market been met only mostly BY ONE Side of the Meat Industry?
The Cruel Live animal Exporters rather than our own red meat Industry within Australia to export chilled / frozen / carcuss?



Meet these big buyers from Saudi and Asia "on your own farm "and "compare prices".

However MLA Farmers Federation Austrade wont introduce you nor will Austrade or Farmers Federation-

"You guess Why?'

*Travel, Clothing Hairdressers*

Hehe, I reckon they will be falling off their chairs laughing
over this one :)

PALE

I would really like to be able to agree with you because I'm on your side regarding animal welfare issues.

If government funding is being used to push MLA's views via regional funding grants that is a different issue and agree that this use of taxpayer money is not appropriate and, in the interests of an even playing field, highly prejudicial. On that point, does the RSPCA receive government funding? That would be worth pursuing from a governance aspect and I am not sure how the rules apply.

Animal welfare is an important issue but so is freedom of speech and democracy. Our democracy is not perfect (in fact it is a bit of a laugh really) and the citizens don't get much of a say other than a choice between the two tweedles at election time.

The kids in this article have grown up on farms and while they may not have been exposed to a differing point of view, they still have the right to support a cause. Let's face it we are all products of our environment and not all kids who grew up on farms will become Ambassadors for the MLA. Some may even become vegetarians based on their own experiences on a farm. Kids of hippies might become corporate lawyers. The argument about these kids and their backgrounds is really irrelevant.

The most important aspect of any campaign, I would think, is stick to the facts and the principles involved. I was going to add 'truth' to that list, but thought better of it. Truth is sometimes intangible - one person's truth is another's delusion - a fragile concept.

I would say stick to the crux of the debate - the cruelty aspects. There is nothing to stop PALEIF or the RSPCA enlisting their own ambassadors.

I liken it to the Rights At Work Campaign of which I was a supporter and donated money. The pro WorkChoices lobby groups ie. the Business Council of Australia, naturally supported their members and threw money into the anti-union campaign. This is just the way of things.