*When abuses to animals from other countries have been filmed
they've said "but they're not Australian animals". Now, what does that tell you?*

Nicky, that tells me that they have a point and that the person doing the filming,
probably does not know the difference.

*Do you really, seriously think that these people give a proverbial about ANY of the
animals,*

They well might, given that some of them are animal welfare experts.

If the animal libber movement has known about problems for 30 years and done
nothing for 30 years, as seems the case, then you are guilty of gross negligence
IMHO. The lack of cattle slaughtering equipment is rather obvious in some
works, why did you not do something about it? Farmers do not claim to be
animal welfare organisations, animal welfare is simply one of many aspects
of the industry. But to their credit, they are doing far more then any of you lot..

With sheep, well you are clearly getting your knickers in a twist about very
little. Sheep are hogtied and sheep have their throats slit all over rural
Australia, every single day. That’s a very different issue to cattle.

What we do know is that us humans faint at the slightest drop in blood pressure.
I have yet to see evidence to show that the same does not apply to sheep.

*My personal view is that no animal should be transported for longer than 8 hours, and that inspections should be every two.*

Nicky, stick to running the old ducks knitting club, for your view is as irrelevant , impractical
and unrealistic as they come. Perhaps you know more about knitting.

"With sheep, well you are clearly getting your knickers in a twist about very little. Sheep are hogtied and sheep have their throats slit all over rural Australia, every single day. That’s a very different issue to cattle."

Yabby

You have constantly informed us on how primitive rural Australians handle their livestock.

You have also in the past advised that rural Australians hogtie sheep and then cram them into the boots of cars - just like the trash I chuck out to take to the local tip.

Since this claim is one of the very few where you have not vacillated, I must accept there is some truth in what you say.

Of course when these rural Australians are accustomed to amputating animals' tails, their backsides, their testicles, and their ovaries (without painkillers) then hog-tying and shoving sheep into the boot of a car would be a mere "bagatel" for the cretins who adhere to primitive cultures which have been relegated to the stone age.

And you wonder why the livestock industry is regarded as detestable?

Friends and I would be delighted to hog-tie you and chuck you in a car boot. Any time Yabby - don't be backward - just ask.

PS: Bring your shears with you!

Dickie dear, best you stick to office work lol.

Have you ever seen what a sheep does, when carted around on its own,
when it is not hogtied?

Ah, Hollywood rules in the minds of the ignorant!

Yabby
Hang on a minute. I think Dickies thoughts are most reasonable.
RSPCA lobby for plants to be available to cut long distance haulage.
We agree with them one hundred percent.

Now I note Dickie didnt say not to kill Animals. What she said and rightfully so shes didnt think transport should be longer than eight hours. That a hell of a long way. What is your problem with that? Then you turn around and say shes unreasonable?
Why
It sounds perfectly reasonable to us and RSPCA.
Ok Yabby some libbers lobby not to eat meat. We lobby back please dont say thet because it plays right into the hands of the indusrty.
I think the issue ofAustralian Animals is ok for you to get up on that. The counter argument would have to be how dredful it took a very brave and decent woman to go and do that. i can ASSURE you Luyn White cares very much about Animals Yabby.
Ialso agree much more should have been done and their IS some truth about SOME in the past. However I put a lot of that down to not knowing what to do.
Well Hey Yabby give them some good contacts and I tell you what.
Give them the farmers and the ABA members and the old meat industry guys that know all the trick! I think Animals Australia - especially lyn efforts have been nothing short of fantasicand they enjoy our full support even if they dont want it.

Yes i can say some are unfriendly but hey - you get that everywhere in life.
The thing is live exports rightfully are on their way out. You have everybodied united promise on that!
Apoligies for any typo errors on this forum. I use speak softwear while typing other work
Its the only way we can post.

Hi all
Dear me, am I to understand that PALE is once again threatening me with legal action? Perhaps we should lobby the owners of the forum to put a stop to such threats and tirades - from other threads, it seems that they are empty ones. It gets awfully tedious, and the often quoted "lawyers" do not seem to back all these threats in any way. Maybe Antiseptic from the "Racist" thread can confirm that. The last time I went there an apology was called for from PALE; with some force, I might add.

PALE, as I said, I don't care who wins the war as long as someone does, and everyone has the right to take whatever steps they choose to do that, and with whom. It seems that PALE is the organization that is "one out" against all others. If you had some evidence that you were winning, I'm sure we would all know about it.

Yabby, Animals Australia and others first exposed all this in 2001, seven years ago. Seven years on, the cruelty continues. The people to whom you refer in the Middle East are not animal welfare "experts" at all, they are representative of the livestock industry who tacitly encourage brutality by being part of this industry. So no, like you, they cannot be described as either caring or "expert" either. All you, and they want to do is make sure that the Australian community doesn't keep seeing the reality. It will, of course, because nothing will change. Why is cruelty to sheep different to cruelty to cattle, or to dogs, or to cats? Pain and suffering do not discriminate between species.

You continue to descend to insults to me and to Dickie when you are losing the argument, because the odds are stacked against you. Just because Australia also brutalizes its "farmed" animals does not mean that it is okay for them to be further tortured on long transports, either here or in other countries.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky, if AA exposed this seven years ago, then they have had 7years to go to the
ME and do something about it. They claim to be interested in animal welfare after
all. How many slaughter boxes have they installed for cattle? Zilch as far as I know.

Just sit by the computer and rattle the tin it seems.

Yes, Sharon and Peter Dundon are animal welfare specialists.

*they are representative of the livestock industry who tacitly encourage brutality
by being part of this industry*

That makes 95% of Australians “brutal” according to you, for they are all part
of the industry, as consumers. Melodramatic language is not going to do it for you
Nicky.

What you call cruel and what I call cruel are two different things. Locking up your
dogs in the house all day, so they can’t even pee, is cruel in my opinion. Yet most
of you suburbanites do it. My animals can pee when they like.

Insults? I say it like it is Nicky, I haven’t lived in your little “ frolic through the
tulips world”, but the real world out there. If you are so easily insulted, don’t debate
on the internet. That is your problem, not my problem.

*for them to be further tortured on long transports*

Nicky either its more melodrama or you don’t even know what the word means.
The world out there is tough Nicky, farming is a tough industry. Your little nansy
pansy world is fine for you in your isolation of the real world