Nicky dear, not a corner in sight anywhere, but keep imaging whatever
makes you happy lol.

*We all know that AQIS gives licenses to anyone who wants them, never enforces anything, doesn't do any more than the minimum to keep itself off the public radar, *

You had better explain that to Gertrude, who tells us that AQIS
won't issue licences to her friends to export meat, as its all
a consipiracy to promote live exports, or something similar (the
post was on another thread, but you would have read it perhaps)

So there you do dear, two posters claiming the opposite about
AQIS.

Nicky dear, what animals would do, given the choice, would depend
on the species. Swallows would fly a long way etc. But that is
not the point. The point is, if moving diseases around is your
worry, then humans are the no 1 culprit, not moving livestock around.

Not all of us carnivores eat factory farmed food. At the moment
my freezer and fridge contain some home grown lamb, some grass fed
beef and some free range chicken. That is my choice.

Factory farmed veggies might well contain far more harmful chemicals
then any meat which I choose to consume.

Meat, properly cooked, is absolutaly delicious Nicky. You must be a
bad cook :) A great lamb roast is one of the pleasures of life,
if its done right. Its also highly nutritious and healthy. Its also
a win-win. The lambs get to have comfortable and happy lives that
they would not have had at all, frolicking in the sunshine and
pasture, not a worry in the world. They are treated for any worms,
fed supplementary grain if feed is short, life is a breeze compared
to the realities of nature, across the fence in the nature reserve.

Any wild dogs etc are dealt with for them, as being ripped to bits
alive and dying slowly is not the most pleasant of deaths, as happens
in nature.

So they benefit, we benefit. They would not have had lives, if we did
not provide for them. Who eats them after death, I don't think they
really care about, I certainly don't, in my case.

Free range farming is quite different to factory farming, something
you don't seem to understand

Nicky

You assume to know what our lawyers can and cant do. How obtuse.

I have spoken with their lawyer and I dont agree.

Hes a lovely man with some common decency towards animals.

Either way if the QLD lawyers wish to start an action its curious once again that would cause you so much stress.

Why wouldnt animal lovers be delighted other lawyers and QCs wanted to help the animals.

As for RSPCA QLD that you have made many comments on I will tell you this.
As you know the CEO has always taken on many progects. Just the calls alone for RSPCA rescue and people flooding qld is an enormous job alone.
Also RSPCA QLD has led the way in many other areas. Yes its stressful and very busy.
Does the CEO QLD care- Yes he does.

As for people passing up our invatations years after years to meet with Muslim leaders is just as obtuse to now try to stomp in and take over.
If they really cared they would have expected five years ago- and onward.

AFIC and our organisation certainly had words over slaughtering methods as every other organisation made similar comments.

However you very wrong by saying we are no longer working under our mou. Also you are aware I have posted to you in the last few weeks we extended our invatation to rspca national - yet again.

I have spent half of the day on the phone speaking to leaders and will do likewise in the morning - so please do not tell me what we are and are not doing.

All that is wrong with some people is they want the credit for our many years of hard work.'

By gate crashing now it may cause real damage to something we have worked hard and long for in the pipeline for animals.

Anyway again its best left to the lawyers who trust me wont put up with interfearance on either matter.

Its dissapointing to know you are displeased a senior QC has taken an interest for the Animals.

Posts by Yabby


Nicky dear You had better explain that to Gertrude, who tells us that AQIS
won't issue licences to her friends to export meat, as its all
a consipiracy to promote live exports, or something similar (the
post was on another thread, but you would have read it perhaps)

Posted by Yabby, Monday, 5 May 2008 8:04:24 PM
Don’t talk to me about what happens in the ME. I made you an offer to help
change things when it comes to the slaughter of 12 million non Australian animals
pale comments

Perhaps Nicky could pass back to Yabby =
He may think hes riding high in the saddle, but soon he`ll be all hat and no cattle!

Nice of him to acknowledge there are huge problems with their own twelve million sheep – but hey Lets send our Australian Animals there anyway.

Hi all
PALE, it doesn't stress me out at all who wins the battle against live exports, and I would suggest that Animals Australia and other groups have been working every bit as hard on this as you say PALE has been. Nor did I pass comment on your lawyers, beyond saying that PALE is not the only organization to have them, and good ones too (in fact a panel of leading Barristers led by Graeme McEwen). I have only been interpreting (or trying to) what you have said in other posts, for example the RSPCA won't return your calls and the Muslim "leaders" are not observing MoUs and similar. I have also pointed out what are clear credibility gaps faced by all RSPCA State branches, and those are a matter of public record.

It's sad that it seems to be more about glory for PALE and the financial interests of your Muslim friends at HKM and those who work for them at the end of the day; that is certainly the impression you are giving here. Your posts seem to indicate that it is this that is a priority rather than the efforts others are making for the sake of the animals alone. You must also remember that they are not "single issue" organizations either and cover many areas of animal abuse.

You cannot force people to work with you or even speak with you if they do not like what you do, or simply choose not to do so for their own reasons. Nor can you reasonably expect every animal welfare group in the country to drop their campaigns because they may interfere with PALE's plans or activities.

As I have often said, you think there is only one way and that is PALE's way; there are clearly a lot of people who do not agree with you.

Cheers
Nicky

Hi all (again)
And to Yabby. That corner must be a rather lonely place really. The point about not sending Australian animals to these people to butcher is the moral position. That is why no animal welfare organization worthy of the name would have anything to do with Tim D'Arcy's senile ideas. They also do not have the government largesse thrown at them as MLA does.

Australian animals may not be an overwhelming number, but it is that number less who are so butchered. Your handful of MLA "trainers" are, as I have said before, a case of the "blind leading the blind" - animal abusers "training" worse animal abusers.

Then we have issues like language barriers, which must be evident given the lack of success they are obviously having in the minority of countries in which they are represented.

Cheers
Nicky