Eat grass fed beef if you're worried about corn and soybeans as a feed source, millions do. Australia has about 1 million head in feedlots out of 28 million, with a strong emphasis on exports. The average cut of beef on the shelf is unlikely to have been feedlot produced, so don't worry. Of course people could just cut down on portion size since the only difference is marbling(fat) in the beef.

Your point about animal protein in pet food? Isn't that the plan for those carnivorous beasties. Shock/horror that they don't get quality cuts of choice meat.
Perhaps you could post a link where the source of petfood from deadstock operations(or any particular source) causes dog diabetes or cancer. Wouldn't simply reflect overfeeding and lack of exercise like in the human population would it?

"either they can back up their claims/opinions or they can't." I said it, I live by it. I'm surprised you could think otherwise. Where is that reference to the Canadian "TSE" diagnosed woman by the way. Tell me you're not serious about your "previous" April 28 reference to BSE, the one I questioned on the 29th. You failed to mention TSE then. Funny that.

"And when modern dehumanised man kills for food, the food will surely return the compliment"
that would explain the immortal vegans amongst us.
"surely"- not another stretch of the truth.

Hi all
Yabby, sweetheart, the reason that you can't see the corner/s you keep getting backed into is that you are totally myopic and blinkered to any point of view other than your own. And don't you think the oxytocin has been rather done to death now? As Dickie points out, it is wholly irrelevant.

I'll let you carnivores worry about the diseases you are ingesting.

PALE, I don't know anything much about the RSPCA at the national level, other than that the supremely useless Lynn Bradshaw is the President, and obviously they must have some scientific unit in there since Bidda Jones seems to be there in the national body. As for the rest, I don't really see how you can stop anyone meeting with whomever they want to meet with.

Cheers
Nicky

Nicky
Hi Just very quickly. Your one hundred percent correct. However the question we must ask ourselves what are they up to?

Any meeting anyway without AA would be useless IMOP.

AA would also be crazy to go there as would RSPCA National without the benefit of our many years of knowledge and close relationship.

For God sake why not simply accept our invfatation along with the lawyers that have worked under the Animal Welfare mOU with Muslim Leaders for years!
Consiering we have invited both RSPCA National and AA for many years surely you can understand our concern if not outrage at such a comment from Bidda.

We have put our thoughts in writing to RSPCA National and have personally left messages for our CEO up here in QLD.

I don’t care who gets upset the whole thing is a very obtuse and concerning event.

Is this the thanks we get from RSPCA for years of supporting them along with many years of our staff and lawyers giving up their busy time?

I wasn’t going to say anything yet but we are just about to go to Congress to put a Ban Live Exports vote forward.

This could screw up everything!

As I said earlier our lawyers are absolutely furious.

We are the ones with the MOUs with Muslim Leaders and there is no need for them to have 'not accepted'
our invasion- Unless?
If we are finished with RSPCA QLD thats up to Mark and a shame but we will not be kept silent regarding this outrageous move of RSPCA National.
Like I said. Who are they? To whom do they answer?

Who do RSPCA Answer to?
The Government?

I cant think of any other reason they would not accept the invation to sit with everybody together along with our lawyers and hopefully AA
Or this just down to simply egos?

I honestly dont know. Its outragous.

NIcky dear, perhaps you just imagine the corners. I in fact can
understand this debate from many angles and experience. You are of
course highly biased, based on flawed philosophies which you cannot
answer when I question you about them.

What amuses me is the contradictions in all your stories. One
minute somebody claims that AQIS are slack, next minute that they
are too strict for people wanting a license, so there must be a
conpiracy theory here by the Govt! What a load of cobblers. Yes,
they are too pendantic for my liking, but then that is their job.

Oxytocin has certainly not been done to death, it was a passing
comment, which you called sexist. So are the findings of endocrinology sexist, because different hormones affect the genders
in various ways? I think not, its just basic understanding of the
world. Nobody is saying it is right or wrong, that is just how it is.
That is what science is all about after all.

As to comments made about livestock moving diseases about, the real
problem is people moving diseases about. That does not mean that
we close all airports tomorrow, not yet anyhow. Release a potent
virus in HK airport tomorrow, within a day it will be spread around
the world.

Hi all
PALE, I have no idea what is going on with the RSPCA, but I'd suggest that Animals Australia would have even more years of experience, and as good if not better lawyers than PALE (if the most prominent one, whom I have met, is any indication). Why does it matter? From what I've understood from other posts of yours, your MoUs have fallen over in recent times, and it seems so has your relationship with the RSPCA in Queensland. I don't know what "outrageous" statement Bidda Jones may have made so I can't comment on that. Why does it matter who wins the final argument? If it is AA's strategies, then good for them (and the animals!).

Jones' report was excellent though, and in an April edition of the Victorian Weekly News and WA Countryman, the live exporters are begging the RSPCA not to withdraw from the Live Export Standards Committee, as Hugh Wirth has apparently foreshadowed they will do. Whatever I might privately think of the credibility of the RSPCA generally, that has to count for something. It looks a bit like the RSPCA and Animals Australia have found some common ground, so you might be incorrect in your assumption that AA refused to work with you because of your association with the RSPCA in Queensland.

Yabby dear, you are so far into the corner that you can't see your way out, that is your problem. Oxytocin (and cuddles) won't help, either, but a border collie cross might. We all know that AQIS gives licenses to anyone who wants them, never enforces anything, doesn't do any more than the minimum to keep itself off the public radar, and God forbid that it should penalize exporters who breach the MANDATORY standards. And we all know that the MANDATORY standards do nothing for the animals once they arrive in destination countries too. I've got some articles from Countryman here that detail exactly what MLA is doing about that, shall I transcribe them for you?

Have a happy evening,
Cheers
Nicky

Yabby dear, one final point. People tend to move themselves about largely by choice, whether en masse on aircraft or at airports or by other means. Animals would, given the choice, quite happily stay where they were born until they died of natural causes.

Dickie is absolutely correct intensive farming, long distance transport, growth promotants, antibiotics and other harmful chemicals and who knows what nasty materials fed to animals are really not doing you carnivores very much good at all. You are poisoning yourselves. But that's your lookout.

We need meat WHY?

Cheers
Nicky