Nickysaid

PALE, I am not "bagging" anyone

Palereplies
I made it 'very clear' I`m not addressing you.

However read back your many comments of Muslims being barbaric and farmers and say to yourself this=

If I were thinking for myself instead of following the trend of leadership - could I do it better? =

Could I perhaps get all the Muslim people onside by forming Animal welfare Muslim groups.?=

Could I educate them and allow them to show the world Muslim people are mostly kind people who care and don’t approve Animal cruelty?=

Could I perhaps find a way to befriend the farmers? =

Could I get to know them and understand their unique problems perhaps? Maybe by working outback on a few stations. =

Do I think by coming in with my universities degree friends to speak down to them as if I walk on a higher moral ground will reach them?

Nickysaid

The NSW Young ..

Pale replies
It was at the time :) Nicky when I find time we`ll post it.( not important)
Another little secret.
If I want something done I just spread the word pale are doing it:)


Voiceless has Katrina ..
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Voiceless were naive. Could have made a real difference.

Nicky said
I don't know about the indigenous communities building ships large ...
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Of course you don’t. Nor much more.

Put forth by Amjad along with our MOU with Aboriginal Elders and Government.

Again if people had not refused to attend meetings?


You and Dickie are faithful AA WSPA and PETA girls IMOP

Just looked back here where I said we were working to fund decent people like you- silence. No well Gee don’t like your chances pale but thanks.

Your own thread has been suddenly deserted when I told you we were taking advice of the WA case. I would have thought that may interest you.

But hey! thats ok at least you are two of the few people who donate your time to animals so 'anytime' we can help - happy to.

For the Animals!

*if you have that much
property fuel costs should not be too much of a burden, nor should proper animal care*

Nicky, this is where your ignorance is bliss! That station country is often lease country, they might run 1 sheep to 10 acres or whatever. Fuel costs are the
major expense, for regular windmill runs etc. Mustering is a large expense,
margins are slim. There is nobody out there, caring for the wild camels, goats,
donkeys, horses, as you might wish. Wild dogs are a major problem. A sheep
might cut 25$ worth of wool, it would cost you close to 10$, just to shear it
and deliver it from there. Mulesing is in fact proper animal care, as it saves
a lot of suffering. Use Trisolfen by all means, but of course you lot want to
ban mulesing in the first place and that is what the Peta campaign is all about.

*It is a matter of crutching more
frequently, but of course, you people won't pay for that.*

Ah, the ignorance of university types! Have you ever crutched a mob of daggy
sheep Nicky? If they aren’t mulesed, there will be two to three times as many
with dags and it will take 2-3 times longer to crutch them. Shearers are already
saying that if they aren’t mulesed, they will be after 3 to 4 crutchings, as skin
flies off. They also want compensation for the extra cost. Even now there is
a shortage of shearers, who is going to do all this crutching? All things you
people have never even considered.

My experiment with some long tailed unmulesed merino lambs this year, was to
see exactly what would happen. They were all shorn in October. By December,
in the middle of harvest, the first were already fly struck. My harvesting is done
contract, so I had the time to chase after them. On most farms people are harvesting,
the sheep will get checked after harvest.

I’ll tell you what will happen. Large numbers of sheep will die lonely deaths,
due to Peta ignorance

*They are basically scared, terrified of these animals. Which is why they rip their eyes out before slaughter and slash the tendons so othe cow cant kick.
To themselves protect themselves in utter ignorance out of fear.*

That is exactly the point in parts of the ME and is why Australia
could do so much good, by installing proper equipment. That is
exactly why I suggested that spending another 10 million $
on proper equipment, would help lots of animals, not just those
from Australia. I bet you that if the animal welfare lobby
got behind farmers and pushed for that kind of money, for the
Govt it would be peanuts and they would assist. Lots of animals
would benefit. But they won't, so it will have to be done the
hard way, slowly, step by step, as we are doing in Indonesia.

Animal welfare groups are so obsessed with their little agendas
that they seem unable to see the big picture and some steps to
improve things in the ME, for all animals slaughtered there.

Nicky, you're absolutely right, starving dogs to death would not meet my approval.
Of course it would be better to do some background work before getting too excited, there is some ambiguity with some jumping to the worst conclusions because we all have our preconcieved ideas. Not dissimilar to the Live export debate.

http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/vargas.asp

http://www.hsus.org/contact_us/humane_society_international.html#Q_dog_artist

So you're family is pretty self-sufficient. Welcome to the farming fraternity.
Have a real look at what you eat and tell me in all honesty what percentage you grow, year round. You may be fine without commercial farmers, what about those that live in apartments, and those where their McMansions take up nearly their whole allotment.
I'll assume you eat no bread without growing wheat, have no rice with your broccoli and don't drink soymilk (real milk being a no-no for you unless you have your own cow).

Yes you hit a nerve because people think they can do without agriculture. Isn't growing your own agriculture? Those that grow their own are called subsistance farmers, and people are free to join the 1/3 or so of the worlds population that are. Hard to see that happening when in the real world millions upon millions are leaving the land for an urban life, essentially being more dependent on the farmers that remain.

Yabby said

That is exactly ..

Pale replies

* OR, we could look at it another way.*

We could say to ourselves it would have a bigger quicker result for our Australian Animals that we have a duty of care for Australia to stop sending them alive!

* As the largest live Animal Exporter in the world is Australia that ought to have a big effect.

* Australia = who has been told three times in the past by Australian paid public funded Senate Enquires into the evil trade To Ban Live Exports “immediately!”

With Australia withdrawing from live animal exports to set a standard it would send out a clear message to others and they would follow. *Yes they would YAbby

*So you now acknowledge that this indeed is the case*

*Thank you Yabby its about time.*

And of course it goes without saying that acknowledgment would extent to the whole of the time that Australia have exported these poor creatures still alive!

Yabby said

*I suggested that spending another 10 million $*

Blimey talk about a bloke would buy a pork pie. A whole Ten Million in a Mulity Trillion Industry?

Your all heart- but I tell you what the ME and Saudis are not broke.

*“Of course” Animal Welfare groups would like to have funding to help every single Animal World wide.

The fact is Yabby considering the fact that the UN cost us in this country for every feed lot diverted - *I think they ought to be banning it inline with Animal Welfare concerns and farming practice and putting in heaps for Animal Welfare

Yabby said

*It will have to be done the hard way, slowly, step by step, as we are doing in Indonesia.*

Pale replies.
How dare you acknowledge that your are aware of what these animals are put through and make out you @ are some type of matters.

We will see about Indonesia and Malaysia etc after Saturday!

Your lot may find out some people may have to rethink their positions.!

Your move

Hehe, I love it, Nicky the subsistance farmer :)

Gertude, your posts are as confusing and irrational as ever,
so I won't even try to make any sense of most of them.

What you did get right was that clearly some facilities for
animal slaughter are unsuitable in the ME, due to no equipment,
so fear is the problem with slaughtermen. Millions of non
Australian animals are slaughtered each year in the ME.

That installing proper equipment could alleviate this suffering
is clearly beyond you or you don't care. Or you are more
obsessed with the live trade, to even consider those millions
of animals. Shame on you.