*It is an indictment on Australia when other countries are sufficiently civilised to respond to written objections of animal cruelty and one's own prime minister, politicians and premiers are too ignorant to respond to appeals from its own people.*

Actually Dickie, some of those Govt minders would only have to
spend a few minutes on OLO and read the vitriol and hatred that
you and Nicky spew out, with you farmer hating, fanatical agenda.

Clearly the general population don't share your opinion, but
accept the vital role that agriculture plays in this nation.

Why should the Govt concern itself with a tiny number of radical
extremists?

It seems that in the US, they don't understand, just how extreme you
are in your views. Here, they have woken up to you some time ago.

The extremism of your posts says it all really.

"The extremism of your posts says it all really."

What a goose you are Yabby. Mouthing off thus further making a fool of yourself.

How you hate anyone who takes the trouble to perform research? "Googling" you call it I believe, as if only idiots "google." Your attempts to deny posters access to reputable sources of information is pathetic.

Therefore, if you regard Nicky and I as extremists, you must include all the other "extremists" whose opinion of the live export of Australia's animals is similar to ours. A few come to mind:

The Victorian Bar Association

The RSPCA

The Humane Society International

The World Society for the Protection of Animals

Compassion in World Farming

Animals Australia

PACT

No fewer than 10 charities have combined globally, having performed 2 years of undercover work and are denouncing Australia's treatment of its livestock. The UK Mirror deemed this article sufficiently worthy to publish it under its "Top Stories" section:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2008/02/12/charities-back-global-crusade-on-animal-transport-89520-20316953/

Then you have Britain's other media outlets - The Guardian and The Independent informing Europeans of Australia's propensity to inflict abuse and trauma on its animals.

And yet another British company with 200 stores across Britain has threatened to boycott Australia's wool industry. I trust they are fully informed of the live export industry's brutality.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23444673-421,00.html

In the meantime, new animal welfare groups are forming with the latest one in Australia established in Coffs Harbour.

We are indeed conscious of the collusion between governments and the live export industry when the labour agreement for abattoirs included a clause where employers had to pay a 457 visa recipient's medical insurance, school fees for children and air tickets for the entire family.

This clause does not apply to employers in other industries who wish to employ workers under the 457 visa but then nothing must get in the way of the live export industry eh?

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/wa/content/2006/s1930247.htm

Let's face it Yabby, you and the stupefying swill you feed us belongs to an ignorant, medieval era, along with the brutal archaic industry you defend and profit from.

Dickie dear, read your own posts, spewing vitriol and hatred of
farmers. Nicky calls them parasites. Extremism as we can all
see. Farmers grow food to feed people, most people actually
appreciate that, they don't spew out hatred instead. Most
Australians appreciate the economic beneftis that farmers add
to Australia's wealth. You deny even that.

So what if a few British papers repeat your animal liberation
propaganda? Have they examined what the experts in the field
have to say? Usually papers don't, they want sensationalism to
sell papers.

If anyone in the EU cares, they are free to open their markets
to Australian lamb and mutton, so that it does not have to rely
on third world markets.

As to 457 visas, I fully agree with you, the meat industry were
hopeless negotiators and got outdone by the unions. The Govt,
with an election looming, refused to budge. Bring in those workers,
as we have said all along! That does not mean that there was
any great conspiracy theory going on.

Dickie, I have no problem with anyone being against anything and
expressing their views. But when they express hatred and vitriol
as you do, then I will point that out. Extremist you are.

Its time all the Animal Groups decided to kick it off and pay those fees.

You wouldn’t even have to run it as an animal welfare issue.

Get the migrants groups involved.. Discrimination of migrant meat workers families. It’s rather insulting actually.

Or rustle up a few companies to sponsor a family each.

There is also no law in the world that stops people from refusing to accept others paying their kids school fees and families medical bills.

Many of these blokes would probably insist on repaying it out of family honor.

Err, unless of course the Government introduces a law making it illegal for them to pay for their own families :)

But look, I tell you what, here’s a good place to start and of all its in WA.>

West Australian says its Government has set up a special migration service to assist miners wanting to relocate to the booming resources state.

"We've got heaps of jobs over here, wonderful lifestyle, great to raise your families. We're just saying to those workers at Beaconsfield if you haven't got a job and you've got a young family and you want to start anew, Western Australia is a great place to be. You know, it's ridiculous if we've got Australian's on the eastern seaboard unemployed and we're bringing people from overseas into Western Australia."

The end

By Jo, No wonder everybody is heading off into the mining industry with all this extra assistance- Umm

Now look here’s another chap that might take up the cause a man wanting to push farming and meat to the Government.
With contacts like MLA I am a few pennies to sponsor the workers would be no problem :) =

Mr. Crombie, a businessman and former chairman of Meat and Livestock Australia, says the NFF's role is to push the farming agenda with government, and emphasize the importance of agriculture to the economy.

So there you have it Dickie between the WA Government MLA working with the donations from peta the workers can come :)

What do you reckon Yabby a good idea or what:)

Yo,Whats for breakfast Yabbs

After reading this I am sure the usual post will follow.
( pale I have no idea what you’re talking about)And 'that’s' the problem.

Well hello to you too Dickie. How are your friends at AA?

It’s interesting to see you all working so well with the President of WSPA Dr Wirth.

Nobody liked him much as President of RSPCA Australia.

Must be the sea change:)


Dickie I should WSPA in your ear the on line law for live exporters must come in very handy at times.

The Victorian Bar Association has been most helpful

http://www.rurallaw.org.au/links.php?chapter_id=72
©2008 Victoria Law Foundation - All Rights Reserved

With the support of Deacon University
Website Designed and Hosted by
CeCC University of Ballarat

(BTW do you have the figures there for donations from Landmark and Elders etc for Vet and Ag Students to universities?

Like I said Dickie people need to start thinking for themselves-outside the square or in this case maybe circle.

Oh btw Yabby Dickies views were NOT extreme she was pointing out the unfairness in the meat trade to abattoir workers in support of live exports and you know it.
She’s on the right track- her and Nicky and doing a good job of it.

Also Animals Australia and Animal liberation have heaps of members who are not veggies as RSPCA and ourselves do.

Yabby said
As to 457 visas, I fully agree with you, the meat industry were
hopeless negotiators and got outdone by the unions. The Govt,
with an election looming, refused to budge. Bring in those workers,
as we have said all along! That does not mean that there was
any great conspiracy theory going on.

Pale replies
The AMIEU having been so vocal before were told to back off live exports.

In the mean time yabby I am sure donations to sponsor abattoir workers families from companies will be made a tax deduction.

Actually I think its such a good idea to protect Australia tax payers from carrying strain from overseas workers it should be regulated as a law to ALL industries :)

Hi all
Dear me, everyone is attributing activities to me when they don't even know what I do. Yabby, you have made the assumption I work in the education sector, and PALE, you attribute to me Animals Australia's ethos, and, I assume, membership. Neither is true.

Dickie, I got the same response from the USDA. In Australia, however, politicians completely disregard the opinions of anyone who does not support what farmers do. I do, however, take on board the comment from Yabby about corporate farming.

PALE, without going into detail, I have tried to explain that I cannot participate in your plan. You seem to be under the impression that everyone can drop all the commitments they have in their lives to get involved with your Muslim friends whenever and wherever. It is not that simple, even if I wished it were. I also do not happen to agree with you that it is the only answer, as I have said before. This is something that needs a multi-faceted approach, and yours may have merit, but it is certainly not the only one. If it were, then I would suggest that there would have been a better take-up rate.

There is much that needs addressing animal welfare in this country as well, including the "Standards" for the transport of livestock, and intensive farming here; we are not all involved on a "single issue" basis.

Cheers
Nicky