Nicky, I don't know if your farmer friend runs 3 sheep as pets,
or 8000 as a commercial flock. I also don't know which part of the
website she wrote. When I get around to going through it, I really
don't care who wrote what, I shall just point out the fallacy and
crap.

Which leads me to the next point, about how hormones affect behaviour,
much as you seem to want to deny it. We see this all the time on
farms. Men are clearly far more practical in most cases :)

Orphan lambs are a constant issue on farms, as some are deserted,
due to merinos not being the best of mothers in the first place, or some mothers
clearly don’t care or are too dumb to be mothers.

So what do we do with them? Most farmers accept the reality, dong them on
the head and put them out of their misery. Most farmers wives, want to take them
home and put them on a bottle, feeding them 50$ worth of milk powder, for
a sheep that Fletcher will one day buy for 20$. It does not make sense.

Even farmers wives eventually see reality, when they are overwhelmed with so
many orphan lambs, that they cannot cope. Reality is a great leveller, despite the
maternal instincts :)

Anyhow, some do grow up on bottles and become huge and sometimes a pest around
the sheds. Many a farmer has found it far easier to grab one of the pet lambs and
string it up as next week’s meat supply, then to go and round up the flock, Just
don’t tell mommy :)

So what would you do Nicky, given that agriculture has to be a business. Buy ever
more milk powder, or dong your orphan lambs on the head?

Hi all
Yabby, you once again resort to the sexist debate when you're backed into a corner, and PALE, you resort to a bizarre monologue that I suspect is nothing more than a product of your imagination. I don't understand any of your last post or what anyone else is meant to understand by it. And I am remain mystified about the people you mention or what Germany has to do with Australian live exports. Perhaps you could enlighten us all and try to post something slightly comprehensible and a bit meaningful.

As far as Wirth and the Cormo Express sheep in Eritrea are concerned, it would have been a news article and the only thing I can suggest is that you search the back news items at www.liveexportshame.com.

The only animal welfare committee I am aware of is the NCCAW, and I have never seen PALE represented in any of its reports. For that matter, I don't recall seeing Sheill's name there either, but that isn't any surprise. It's not as if he would have any credibility.

The NCCAW is the only recognised national reference group in this country. Any others suggested with be fronts for the government and the industry and nothing more than publicity stunts.

Nicky

*Yabby, you once again resort to the sexist debate when you're backed into a corner*

Hang on Nicky whoah. I simply observe and accept that hormones affect
human behaviour. Are you denying that this is so?

Wow, live chat!

Yabby, sweetheart, of course not. But possession of female hormones does not, as you seem to continually suggest, turn one into some sort of idiot. Equally, possession of testerone does not automatically turn one into a superior being.

Cheers
Nicky

Nobody claimed that Nicky. But fact is, your boyfriend would not
have an erection, were it not for testosterone. If you take the trouble
to understand the brain, only one part is for thought,
competing with emotional centres etc. We evolved over millions
of years, and yes, females have been the nurturers and carers, whilst
males were the hunters. Those genetic inclinations, still show
through today.

You love your scientific papers. So read up on the effects of
oxytocin etc, on human behaviour. Rational thought is only a small
part of it all. Most of what goes on in your mind, you are not even
aware of.

Yabby, you do digress. How on earth did oxytocin get into this? And what makes you think that a) I have a boyfriend, b) an erection is one of life's essentials and c) I love scientific papers (in fact, mathematical data rather bores me)?

Just getting back briefly to the www.liveexportshame.com website. You have yet to provide for us all the information you have determined to be "crap". As a matter of curiosity, what qualifies you to make that determination where the information is clearly properly referenced and sourced? Can't wait to find out, for example, what is wrong with the ABS data cited, the reports directly quoted, or the document about the ships. Compared to some other sites I could mention, that particular one seems to be comparatively lacking in emotional baggage in favour of presenting the facts.

Nite nite,
Nicky